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Old 06-13-2008, 06:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by chermille View Post
Well, I will have to explain my point of view about some things you said and with wich I disagree. I hope you will get it
First of all, if there are any english mistakes please understand, I am still learning.



In the first place, what are clichés?

Answers says:
" cliche n.
A trite or overused expression or idea: “Even while the phrase was degenerating to cliché in ordinary public use . . . scholars were giving it increasing attention” (Anthony Brandt)."


Why you give "cliché" a pejorative meaning?

Do new ideas and new ways of thinking really exist? Do you really think you are so different and original? Aren't you aware that humanity is always repeating itself? Do you think your feelings are something new?
No they are not. Hate is a cliché. Love is a cliché. Everything I say, everything you say are clichés. But there is nothing bad about it. We really cannot do anything about it and you know why, because before of us came a huge number of people that actually already expressed, felt the same way as we do. Everything is already "overused".
What makes something sound original is not the fact it is new (because it really isn't), it is the way the artist/person expressed this overused idea, feeling.
You do not invent anything new, you recreate based upon what you know. That is what makes everything a cliché.
So I really cannot agree with you. a cliché is not "awful", clichés are natural and if you don't accept them you will not accept your life.
That is why i simply love clichés



Aren't you like that sometimes? I am. I thought music was written by plain mortals, not gods or anything.
How can a normal person create something really supperior? No way. Everything you hear around you has all this human flaws you condemn.

So, it is ok if you don't like music and all its "banalities", it is just that you would want something supperior that is impossible to get. Do not misunderstand my point of view. I am sixteen but am too a "music snob". I am very difficult with my choices. However, I can't doom all music because I think it is "cliché" or because it expresses normal human feelings. I really cannot think of me as so supperior...
In another way of thinking, I cannot bare all of the "commercial music", simply because I consider it as an insult for my intelligence. By commercial music I do not mean "cliché", I mean without artistic value, in my point of view, of course.
And considering the instrumental music, it really is more easy to run away of the "commercial music", due to the fact it is harder to play very well an instrument than to sing some words. However, instrumental music is also the reflection of human feelings and thoughts. If you still can't bare clichés you should stay away from it too.

I hope you will understand
But, when I say cliche, I mean they're actually using sayings and expressions that are so overused, it would be plagerism if anybody owned them. I don't want to hear a song that says things the same way as every other song. At least go a little deeper. Use your own words, if you even have them. I mean, it's like they bought a book of sayings and picked a bunch of them that rhymed. It's ridiculous. They call themselves artists. Not at all. True artists create something new. Something that hasn't ever quite been put that way or something that brings new insight or goes deeper. No songs today even come close to being art.

Secondly, I don't want to hear whining or hateful things just for the sake of it. Go deeper into the feelings and work through them in the song. I don't want to hear, "yo ♥♥♥♥♥" or "stop hurting me". That's an immature child talking. Don't write a song about giving up, just give up writing songs. I'd rather hear about songs of growth and learning though pain than just "I hurt. I hurt. I hurt." Go hurt somewhere else. Stop infecting my ears with your garbage.
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