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Old 06-04-2008, 08:40 PM   #364 (permalink)
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I totally agree with the message of the article except in two details:

1º. Why on Earth did you quote the Jesus-based-in-Horus stuff without checking your facts out? Honestly, that was ridiculous. You can tell me that we don't know much about Jesus, even if he existed. You can tell me that Jesus could have been an invention of the people who wrote the gospels, and that'd be cool and possible. You can tell me that when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity compulsory by law, he applied many pagan details to it, such as the 25th of December birth, which was Mithra's and Elagabalus, and the Invict Sun, too. But you CANNOT tell that Horus is the basis for Jesus Christ, because that's simply NOT TRUE. Geez, Steve, do some research before posting stuff, many people may believe you. Though I guess if they do believe anything you say and is wrong, it's their fault for not checking their facts.

2º. Religious people tend to be the most bigoted and non-accepting people on earth. They’re the least trustworthy and suffer from the grossest character defects. They pretend they’re doing good, MEEEEC. Wrong. Dead wrong. There are fanatics everywhere, and atheists can be just as fanatic as religious people. I know, because I have been insulted and attacked by atheists just because I wrote articles that they disagreed with. No, my articles weren't about religion, I am an agnostic. I happened to check out the claims made in a pseudo-documentary called Zeitgeist the movie, and started finding out an astonishing amount of mistakes. Because I proved "their" movie wrong, they took it on a personal level and attacked me. They refused to discuss my academic sources, or to discuss the mistakes in the sources the movie used: their movie was great and it was and it was and it was because they said so they said so they said so and anyway the movie could not have flaws. When they couldn't provide arguments, those atheists provided insults. They were either unable or incapable of considering me an intelligent human being, they didn't respect me because I didn't agree with them. This is fanatism, the same sort of fanatism that is denounced (and really does exist) in religious people.

So stop selling the crap that it's all religious people. Granted, religion is a social organization with power, and is stronger and creates more fanatism.
But what creates fanatism is the IDEAL. Any ideal can make people fanatic and corrupt, any one of them. We saw it in the USSR, and still see it in North Korea. I have seen it recently, and everyone could see it in that great documentary, Jesus Camp. But whoever thinks that religious fanatism cannot be matched by any other kind of ideal pushed to fanatism is severely mistaken and bound to be greatly disappointed.

As a general rule, any idea imposed by force gets corrupted more easily. Where only the ideas of marxism triumphed, we got welfare state. Where they were imposed by force, they got fascist-communist countries. Fanatism is what is more dangerous... and though religion leads to fanatism, unluckily, many things can do so. As I was proven by some fanatics, recently.


Absolutely agreed on everything else you wrote. The article was great. Just check your facts before using non-proven, non-historical theories as truth, please.

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