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QUOTE=Brutha;187253]There are cases when you have to make hard decisions. Say your wife murders someone out of greed.
The policy comes to your house and ask you about it.
Where do your priorites lie? With the truth or with loyality to your wife?
I don't think that telling the police that true story would be a selfish act. It just based on different priorities then telling them a lie to protect your wife.
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Sure. Even if she murders her rapist, telling the police is reasonable. If someone who wishes her harm comes to you looking for her, and you know where she is, are you going to tell them because you value honesty more than your relationship with your wife?
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Honor killing is focused on the relationship between the loved one and the person doing the killing.
It comes from a certain loyality to the family and the honor of the family.
Steve argues that loyality to relationships (and loyality to family is a relationship) is misplaced.
I'm also not sure in whether the person doing the honor killing belief that the act will rescue the soul of the poor girl from enternal damnation.
If you kill for such a motivation it is techniquely an act of love.
I don't think that honor killing is motivated by a desire for truth or for archieving a given purpose but by loyality to some relationships.
Steve argues against the primary value of loyality to relationships.
I don't think that seeking input is in conflict with what Steves is saying.
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What relationship is honor killing focused on? You are right, it isn't motivated by a desire for truth. However, it is motivated to uphold the principle of being an honorable man by maintaining an honorable family, which means controlling their behavior. The guy doesn't give a hoot about his relationships, he cares about whether or not his ideal is upheld. If the loyalty to the relationship were valued more than the loyalty to the ideal, the daughter would still be alive. There would have been required investigation rather than rumor.
I also believe it is not an act of love, but an act designed to avoid feeling shame that you, as a man, could not raise children that also lived up to your ideal of behaving honorably.
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I wouldn't go so far to say that nobody should value loyality as their top priority. On the other hand I don't see it for myself as the most important thing and I think the ideals that Steve proposes are in aligement with my own.
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Yeah that's fair.