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Originally Posted by Markus74  Excuse me for being annoying, but has this repeatedly, and scientifically, been tested? How many women did have this happening? Or was this just a random, one-time event
Don't get me wrong. It would be fascinating if true! But I won't take it as a fact just because some body cites this example as `'proof'. |
I told ja. It cannot be proven scientifically. What's possible is that you run your own experiments to convince yourself.
Apart from the breastmilk example, there are numerous other examples indicating how thought can affect reality in ways you would consider "magical".
For example, google "Professor Sheldrake". See his research on dogs and their owners. Typical scenario:
(a) owner is out; dog is at home
(b) dog is being videotaped (recorder is left running all day)
(c) at the time owner decides to come home (ie owner has generated a thought - "I want to go home now", dog gets all excited & happy, wags his tail, runs to the door and barks excitedly.
Even though owner is faraway and the dog cannot possibly see or hear him.
Simple illustration of man's thought having an effect on the dog. This phenomena has been recorded under varying circumstances eg even when owner is on an irregular schedule. "Cat outside the window" kind of explanation has been accounted for. Distance does not seem to matter - owner could be in another country - and at the time he decides to come home - eg he decides to book a plane ticket - the dog gets excited.
How about studies on the effect of prayer on healing illnesses? I don't subscribe to any particular religion, but I do see prayer as a form of intention-manifestation. The experiments come in a variety of different ways, designed to test different things. Results are mixed; in some scientifically conducted experiments, prayer does have a scientifically significant effect. You wanna know - go google. Try this for starters:
Scientific Research on Prayer
How about thoughts affecting the reality of an inanimate object. Sigh .... where to begin, there are so many. Here, a famous one:
Uri Geller the Full Biography
He has his skeptics, of course. Even when he is filmed under lab conditions, skeptics suspect that the scientist doing the filming is doing some funny camera trick. Ahhh, you just can't win. No wonder Jesus refused to perform miracles for the Pharisees.
Errrr, any more examples? Sure. What's the point? In the end, only you can convince you, by running YOUR own experiments, where YOU know you are not cheating yourself. You wouldn't perpetrate a camera trick on yourself, would you.
Of course, if you think you might be deceiving yourself, then I got nothing more to say ....... because if you might be deceiving yourself, you better not trust ANYTHING that you hear, whether from a skeptic or a believer. Just crawl under a stone and hide and don't come out. Who knows, the prolonged isolation might lead to enlightenment.
On quantum physics - if you haven't even
attempted to understand it, then at least don't go around telling people that oh, THIS isn't scientifically proven, THAT isn't scientifically proven. At least try to keep a more open mind. I recommend this book to you:
Amazon.com: The Dancing Wu Li Masters: An Overview of the New Physics: Books: Gary Zukav
it's by a spiritual teacher type of guy, Gary Zukav. He believes in karma, reincarnation, thoughts creating reality etc etc. Anyway, the book won an award.
Guess what award? It wasn't "Best Fantasy Novel of the Year" or "Best New Age Book of the Year".
It was the
"1979 American Book Award in Science". Bwahahhaa! The irony.
Still a good read, although it came out in 1979, and therefore was too early to take into account superstring theory.
If you really think that your "scientific" view of the world and what I suggest to you abou the nature of reality is truly soooooooooo very far apart, boy, will you be soooo surprised to read about scientists regularly meeting the Dalai Lama to exchange ideas:
Talking physics with the Dalai Lama (August 1998) - News - PhysicsWeb The science of Tibetan Buddhism / Neuroscientists, physicists have questions, the Dalai Lama answers Dalai Lama Gives Talk On Science
And wouldn't you be surprised to know that the two kinds of scientists who are most interested in exchanging notes with the Dalai Lama are:
quantum physicists and
neuroscientists?
Heheh.
Isn't that strange? What could quantum physics, neuroscience and spirituality have in common? Surely the physical universe can't be affected by your brain which in turn can't be connected to any God or Supreme Being or Allah or whatever? Why would the leading experts in these three very different fields be interested in talking to each other?
Mr Godot could try to tell you. Ahh, but then you wouldn't believe Mr Godot, would you.
Hey, if you don't believe Mr Godot, would you trust a real, live scientist? How about one with a proper PhD, from a proper university, in some really, really scientific area like Theoretical Physics, oooh, sounds serious.
Let's try Dr Fred Alan Wolf - PhD in Theoretical Physics from UCLA, who has a resume that looks like this:
Visiting Professor, University of Northern Iowa, 1987.
Professor, Department of Physics, San Diego State University, 1971-1977.
Associate Professor of Physics, San Diego State College, 1968-1971.
Assistant Professor of Physics, San Diego State College, 1964-1968.
Staff Physicist at Several Corporations and Government Institutions. 1964-1968.
Visiting Professor, UNICAMP, University of San Paulo, Campinas, Brazil, 1985.
Associate Professor of Physics, University of Paris, Orsay, France, 1973-1974.
Visiting Research Fellow, University of London, Birkbeck College, 1973-1975.
Visiting Professor, Hahn-Meitner-Institut fur Kernforschung, Berlin, Germany, 1971.
Visiting Professor, Department of Physical Chemistry, The Hebrew University. of Jerusalem, Israel, 1971.
Visiting Professor, Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie des Rayonnements, Faculte des Sciences, Orsay, France. 1971.
PhD. Theoretical Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, 1963.
MS. Applied Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, 1959.
BS. Engineering Physics, University of Illinois, 1957.
Howard Hughes Master of Science Fellow, Culver City, CA, 1957 1959.
I wonder what Fred thinks God, subjective reality and the effect of your consciousness on the universe. Hmmm, let's try this for starters, shall we? An excerpt from the interview from good old Fred:
"FRED ALAN WOLF: If you follow that to a logical conclusion, you find that there's only one Soul in the universe. One Consciousness capable of blinking it into reality and letting it go out of reality. If you are having that experience, then really, you're having it because you've identified with, or you are working with the recognition of, or you're part of, that single awareness. It's not that you have a mind and Mr. Jones has a mind and Mrs. Smith has a mind, but that you and Jones and Smith are all of one mind. The recognition that you're all of one mind, while it may sound nice, may sound spiritual -- there's actually, from a quantum physical point of view, a logical proof that one can make. The blinking on or off is a very important part of it. It indicates that mind, or this one Mind, is very much part of the physical world.
TMA: It's so interesting to follow this out. What people think of as the physical world is so very much more malleable than anybody would have ever guessed. I was playing with something recently whereby if you work with the parallel universes kind of model where any decision takes you into another one ... I was stuck in traffic on the freeway, and I projected joy. The more joy I could project out, the less traffic slowed me down. I kept raising the level of universes I was existing in by the amount of joy that I was able to project out. It's just fascinating what you can do.
FRED ALAN WOLF: It's hard for people to give up the objective, temporal control which they've learned so well to impart by the counting procedure of watching seconds tick by on the clock. But you have to remember that every clock is merely in agreement with other clocks that we set as a standard.
TMA: And yet at the same time that the physical plane is maya, illusion, when you stub your toe, it hurts.
FRED ALAN WOLF: If the physical world is maya, what's real? That's, of course, the question that drives everybody a little bit crazy. But reality is not just the physical world, it's the relationship of the mind with the physical world that gives the perception of reality. There is no reality without the perception of that reality. What the actual reality might be without a perception of reality is unknowable. We don't know what that is. We can only assume that what it is, is what it is when we're not looking -- an assumption that's fraught with a lot of problems.
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OH WAIT. I forgot. I know what you're gonna say. Mr Godot is a fraudster. He must have made up Fred Alan Wolf. After all, you don't belive in Fred Alan Wolf. Therefore he can't exist. Hahahaaa!
A Conversation With... Fred Alan