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Originally Posted by donna  this discussion brings up an issue i have been pondering...maybe at a deep level we manifest that which we believe we are. If we believe we are one with the universe, (that we are all connected), and that the universe is abundant & is, basically, love, then maybe we just need to hold that awareness for good things to flow....this seems very general, though, so is it best then to leave it at that or to envision specific desires?
I have been confused by the seeming contradiction of the 12 step (recovery model) wisdom which is based on the "let go and let god" philosophy, or, seeking to follow a higher wisdom - and the LOA model where you seek to follow your own desires - one seems to say "my will be done" and the other, "your will (that of the universe - does it really have a will?) be done".....
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I think if you hold the consciousness of being one with the universe, petty desires for the self drop away. I mean when someone gives you food, you are the person who is taking and receiving. When someone hurts another person, you are the victim and the aggressor. When you get a paycheck, you are the employee and the employer. And so on and so forth.
My dad is in AA and has been for several years. He likes to go to this halfway house where they have meetings. A lot of the people there, of course, don't have much sobriety and I asked him why he likes to go there. He said it's because it reminds him of where he's been. Another way to put it, he is both the person offering help and the person who receives it... because he is saying, "I am an alcoholic." So he is every alcoholic.
Many amazing things have happened to my father since he got into recovery. He'll be the first to tell you that he had nothing to do with making that stuff happen. To him the will of God simply means, "Help others". The miracles come out of the peripheral of him doing the will of God.
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Originally Posted by Lil Chris I'm intrigued by this conversation and line of thinking (but don't quite understand). Currently i'm experiencing ankylosing spondilitis (a fusing of the spine and painful arthritis). Now according to this topic I'm "being" unhealthy. How do I get to a state of being healthy...? I realize i'm living in a state of "flux" and things can and always do change and I think i'm the one in charge, but how do I take control... Am I making any sense? Please help me to understand... |
I don't think there is any getting there. You have to start there. Like with the spinal arthritis. If you start out telling yourself, "I am unhealthy" the condition is chronic and no treatment will ever work. If you start out telling yourself, "I am healthy" then the condition is temporary and can be halted.
Like Angela said, it is how you choose to respond to what is happening.
And how you choose plays an integral role in what happens.
IMO, everything happens for a reason. There is a secret in every experience. Where has your health issue led you? A friend of mine wrote
this post on her blog about where her chronic back pain led her. You might find it interesting. What treatments have you sought, btw? Maybe you could send me a PM, since it's off-topic (I guess).
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Originally Posted by Angela Well, that is a very inspiring way of being to me! I think when you can express your desired way of being in a way that inspires others, you know you're on to something big.
What would be possible in your life if you were being a lover of the world? In your career, your friendships, your romantic life, your exercise/vitality, and other areas of your life? What would you be creating? |
A deep sense of compassion and an appreciation of the innate beauty in all things. As a lover of the world, you see everything as a quality of your Beloved.
Practicing and teaching yoga has interested me for quite a while: a communion of the sensual and spiritual. I would like friends from a variety of paths, cultures and experiences. The romantic life would be obvious, eh? I like exercise that is more about the journey than the destination. I think being a lover of the world would create a life that is like a huge banquet or celebration.