[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Plato

Hmmm, but we still have to have some beliefs to filter our sensory input from the world and make sense of it.

I suppose somethings need to stick around to operate in 3d. But do I need to "hold" those beliefs? Or are these views just what is anyway and no need to make a belief of it?

I suppose the final stage of mastery at life is unconsciously acting on those beliefs without conscious awareness of why you have them. Having ingrained in you the values you've chosen to live by..

hmmm... beliefs that are unconscious - I guess I've been trying to see that conditioned self, that runs automatically, as old value choices or possibly not good choices all the time, so then to be able to not choose to continue running something that doesn't work would help.

But, as you say, if one is able to install what works and it's automatically running, that's fine. And maybe that's the way it is. That we operate using our conditioned responses, but then if it doesn't work it flys at us in our face somehow, like getting triggered or having reactions, that brings that conditioned response to the light of consciousness because it's not working for you.

We get some feedback on that stuff in our emotions and then instead of identifying with the emotions as self and just letting it run, be able to observe the reactions from our awareness self and see if we would really want to choose that. and maybe we do - just let it run and feel a bunch of junk. But that would be indulgent of drama.