[Natsu]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

. We organisms are designed to prey on each other and there can never be any such thing universal goodness or peace. “Evil” is an essential part of this world. There must be winners and losers, it is simply inevitable. I know that this isn’t what you were taught and you probably don’t want to believe it; but just try seeing things from that view for just a moment.

I tried to see that from that point of view when I was eight and trying to create a non-religious moral system.

We are humans and need to live in society. Yes, nature is indifferent to suffering, but... life in nature is crap.

Which is the first rule of animals? Law of the strongest, right? And whom does the law of the strongest suit? Why, that's easy, it suits the strongest.

So, a society with no ethics in which people prey each other would be good only for the strongest. Fine, take the vast majority of the population off the list, only a few would benefit from such a system.

We've got this few who benefit from the system. The strongest. Now... are they always that strong? During their whole lives? Possibly not.

So, the "dog eat dog" system is good only for a few, only for a limited amount of time, unless some younger-smarter-stronger predator eats the strong one who was in charge. It's unfair crap and horrible lives for everyone else.

But in a "let's all collaborate and behave" system, everyone has a chance of living to old age, with the best of his success, at the best of his ability.

Now, who on his right mind would choose the "dog eat dog" system over the collaborative one? It's ridiculous... I just find it absolutely unefficient.

As a “darkworker” I see all encompassing goodness as naiveté idealism.

Besides of "all encompassing goodness" there's an "all encompassing society" that has a good healthy habit of screwing the ones who stray too much off the path. Be selfish if you need to. But if you get harmful, the rest of the world has a right to kick your ass.

Other people are not us! Our human standards of morality are not the universe’s concern and humans made up good and evil to suit our own needs.

And they were created because they suit needs. Better than any other behavioural pattern that you can see in nature. And I don't give a damn about nature's concerns here. It's my concerns I'm talking about. I don't want to live worrying about whether some dork will decide to prey on me. If you prey on me, you open the path for me to hit back. You won't like it. You chose to use fear as your main source of willpower? It's up to you, but you'll have to fear some of the people you step in.

Good and evil are a mass delusion, not real.

You don't mind me beating you up bloody with a nailed baseball, right? You won't feel pain, it'll be just a delusion.

The world is a cruel and imperfect place and to survive you must compete in the endless waltz of predator and victim.

The world is a cruel and imperfect place and that's why humans gathered together and chose to collaborate and sort of agreed not to kill each other, so they could work together and stop being both victims and predators to be shepherds, peasants, smiths and other things that didn't get themselves killed.

That’s just how it is. By accepting these dark realities we can use them to our advantage and even enjoy them .

When you use them to your advantage, take care not to step on other people. You may find that some of them may get angry. And one in a bunch will get royally pissed off and get revenge, despite how nice and caring you thought that person was. Some of the nicest guys can get extremelly aggressive when attacked. You were warned.

Demk, if you truly want to understand the upside of being a darkworker then you must be able to slip on a pair of darkworker glasses, if only for a moment .

I totally see your point there. It was a question of trying to understand how a darkworker thinks. Point is, the more I think about it, the more I find it a ridiculous idea. Darkworkers are about ten thousand years obsolete.