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Old 04-28-2008, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimaryErn View Post
This is what I asked - i don't see how *any* kind of harm to others is 'allowed' under this model. Even if i'm the sweetest job applicant ever, honest, non-attcking, etc. etc. If I get the job and they don't I've taken something from someone else, and that's harm.

How is it that an animal that eats a fish (which is harm) and takes the fish away from the mouth of another animal (which is harm) is not a lightworker? Is it the lack of evil intent?
ARGH. I hate this kind of theory: it makes good people think they aren't good enough unless they behave as doormats and let others tread on them.

If you are the BEST applicant to a job position and take the job from everyone else, that's NOT harming the rest of the applicants... because you were the BEST. As Ayn Rand wrote, "there can be no conflict among rational people", meaning that if a person does something better than you, he gets the job and the money... And any reasonable person will accept it and take it as an opportunity to get better.

Imagine an editor needs a translator. The best translator appears, but suddenly she chooses to leave the job to another person, because said person "needs" the money. Much harm has been done, see:

1º. Employer loses the best candidate. Isn't that harm?
2º. Employee gets a job he doesn't deserve, since he wasn't the most qualified applicant. In the long run it'll do more harm, if he wasn't enough qualified, he needs to get better, and he may not realize it.
3º. Lightworker doesn't get money, and everyone gets the impression that being good equates with being a sucker.

Let's leave it clear: there is no harm when the best one wins. Whenever I've participated in a contest which was decided by voting, I always asked the voters for this: "Please vote for the best. It sucks to lose against someone worse than you. But you always learn when you lose to the best, and make it an inspiration to keep on working harder".

Losing always sucks, yeah. But there can be no complaining for losing against the best, it's fair and square, it shows you what you lacked, what you needed, your weak points and what you had to improve. So I see absolutely no selfishness in getting a job for which you are the best applicant. By refusing it, aren't you depriving the employer of the best applicant? What for? Pity for the rest? The rest of the applicants only have to get better than you... and that's going to be good for them, too.

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Originally Posted by wolfgang View Post
it occurs to me that a darkworker is a deluded lightworker. darkworkers think they are doing what's best just as a lightworker does. the difference is that the darkworker thinks of being separate from everyone else, or their group is, and that what makes that separate self better or achieve something is best. The lightworker does not see people/animals as separate and doesn't even make a distinction of little self versus other people/animals.
Totally agreed. I see no reason to become a darkworker unless you are on an extremely high level of consciousness. Becoming a darkworker at the levels of anger, courage or desire may not only lead to nasty consequences... It may also lead to jail. I see no point in raping a woman because your body so desires and getting eight years in prison afterwards. The path of the darkworker is dangerous... What's the point in using fear as a motive power if you're going to be afraid of getting caught? Sounds like a crappy life to me. I understand someone "darkworking" by playing piano twelve hours a day until he gets master ability, and refusing to "lose time" helping Mom with the house chores. But using people as if they were animals happens to carry the added trouble of you interacting with people who are able to sue, kick, punch and kill. And it's a stupid risk.

But then again, I always find polarization stupid... Unless it's "partial polarization". I believe in the tit-for-tat system. I am a lightworker to lightworkers and NPCs. Some darkworker tries to "darkwork" me and finds out I happen to have a darkworker side. And of course, when you choose to do something "darkworkingly", don't be afraid and don't feel pity. I only do that in self-defense... And must add that I've found this system very helpful. Nice as a general rule, angelic when possible, damn bastard when attacked. But I don't see the reason why a normal being would want to be a 24/7 darkworker or lightworker. If you are a darkworker and try to use people, at some point you'll get caught and find out that there's a limit to what people will endure. If you are a lightworker, you can't let yourself be treated like a rug... or the bully will go on bullying you and others.

I don't find any reason why a person should be a darkworker. I understand some situations in which you have to get darkworker. But, full life commitment? Don't see the reason. That said, I agree that when you decide you have to be nasty (stopping a bully on his tracks is the most common situation), don't back, don't hesitate, don't feel guilty and don't feel pity. But, a whole lifetime like that? Urgh.

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Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina View Post
If you consciously embrace selfishness as your highest ideal, you'll be able to greatly accelerate your personal growth and achieve your desires more quickly. A lack of consistency will cease to hold you back. Darkworking is an accelerated path.

For example, if you want to achieve a certain net worth, then generally speaking you can expect to get there much faster via the darkworker route than you will if you refuse to polarize. The lightworker route can also get you there faster if you think such a goal will help you serve others, and income can also be generated as a side effect of service.
I still find any of the choices disempowering. I understand the polarizing stuff when it comes to certain situations. The clearest I remember is when I got rid of my nightmare bully at school. I had been enduring his attacks for five years, and one day I got angry and beat him. When I chose to do so, I beat him hard with a big book. Sure as Hell stopped preying on me. I wouldn't have gotten half that result if I had been thinking "Oh, poor lost guy, his parents don't love him really, they haven't educated him at all, he is just trying to call the attention". No, it was "F***** bastard gets payback today". I see why you ought to polarize in special situations. What I don't see is the reason to polarize as a general rule, in my overall life. I don't know why you can't enjoy your potential and that of others. A darkworker couldn't enjoy honest company and conversation from others? A lightworker couldn't enjoy personal success fully? Sooo disempowering, IMHO.

Last edited by Natsu : 04-28-2008 at 10:13 PM.
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