[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by David21

You sound like some one who works in the field of science.

Heh. No, I hold the lofty position of Junior Web Developer at a startup. But I've spent the entirety of my teenage life arguing about how science is very bad no good evil, so I was exposed to plenty of refutations.

Originally Posted by David21

I feel that science seeks to find an overall truth that probably doesn't really exist.

This is possible. Some of the core assumptions of science conflict with some of the core assumptions of other systems of thought, including Subjective Reality.

Originally Posted by David21

Science isn't acceptable and understandable to all.

I disagree.

Originally Posted by David21

I don't really believe that God would base the workings of existence on something that only a few can appreciate. I doubt that science has a place in the next reality after this.

Being as I have not been to the next reality, I cannot answer that.

Originally Posted by David21

Lets not play with words here. When I say "forward" I refer to the direction that we are all consciously or unconsciously moving - towards God. When I say "way" I mean path or method. I think you knew that.

I am not playing with words. Not everyone thinks, believes, or knows as you do, David21. I cannot expect to understand your perspective unless you help me to do so. It seemed evident to me that I was misunderstanding you, so I decided to ask, rather than continue to make mistaken assumptions.

As such, I have two follow-up questions:

1) What is God, and how do we know if we're moving toward God?
2) If we are all moving towards God, and thus forward, then how can anything not be a "way forward"?

Originally Posted by David21

Hypothesis, the way I see it, is something that has been thought about but not yet proven.

I would point you here: Hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I didn't think to do that, last time.

Originally Posted by David21

I do think that things can take a very long time to come into existence.

Here is a place we disagree about the nature of existence. A matter of definition, really. Existence, for me, includes anything that has been thought about or considered. A thought can exist, because it was thought.

Originally Posted by David21

I guess the ultimate aim is to come to a decision that we all agree on. Once there is nothing to question, there is nothing to answer and we will be one.

Perhaps. That's a lofty claim.

Originally Posted by David21

I need to question whether this type of discussion is of any use to us.

I'm using it to flesh out my own ideas and my capabilities in communicating them.

Originally Posted by David21

I can't help but wonder whether there is a bit of ego (by its most common definitions) behind some of the replies on this topic.

Of course. Few are the enlightened.

Originally Posted by David21

I don't really believe that it matters what we say here, we will never come to a conclusion here on this plane. However, I guess it is all part of the learning process.

Will you ever come to a conclusion if you do not start moving towards one?

Originally Posted by David21

Isn't silence the best way forward? It is when we are silent that we will hear God's voice.

I shall quote a poem I read the other day:

Originally Posted by Raph Koster

Peace shouldn’t be quiet, clouds soft and pliant,
A mellow sky scene in blue.
Peace should be blaring, a jazz band past caring,
A squabble of children and you.
The clangor of pots, your eyes full of spots,
Buttercups growing in dew.
Peace is invention, it’s sustained attention,
It’s chemistry going kaboom.
It’s racing of go karts and artichoke hearts
And farming in Kalamazoo.

It’s silence as well, but the silence of bells
The moment they still for a few;
An aftershock sound that echoes around
And gives way to rush and to hue.
It’s not smug inertia, safe from what hurts ya;
Pain is what gives us the glue.
It’s temperate intemperance, all quantum events,
Mosquitoes buzzing canoes.
A whole raucous party, that’s peace’s priority:
Space to be scattered and true.

Raph's Website » The Sunday Poem: Peace

And then I shall quote from the Twelve Tenets of Shh!

Originally Posted by Josh

The necessity of the alternative of silence for all commands is crucial in understanding that most of the time silence itself is not an ideal action or state of being, but is always the best alternative.

the_sinistral: The Twelve Tenets of Shh!

Feel free to click through.

Originally Posted by David21

Perhaps what is, just is. Perhaps we will discover it one day whether we argue or not.

And perhaps we must argue in order to find out. Or perhaps we must not argue to discover it. Who knows? If you will not argue, then you will not. If you will, then you will.

The important thing is to choose. And then, to choose again.