[yossarian]

Originally Posted by PrimaryErn

if in order to do service it has to be something you want to do anyway, or feel is right, I'd question how much is service and how much is just you gratifying your own sense of ego/accomplishment.

Not that I have anything against that, at all - but making it something its not (i.e. pure selflessness) - isn't entirely correct.

If someone needs you to do something and its something you personally dislike, but you do it, that's definitely not selfish (unless you are doing it for other reasons, like gonig to heaven).

I could argue, based on the quote above, that a lot of darkworkers are engaging in proper service because they are engaging in service that benefits others but that aligns with their own self. My losing weight benefits others (I'm eating less food; taking up less space;costing less to the shared health system). If I do it out of 'darkworker' reasons (because I want to be hot and get sex) that's selfish; if I do it out of 'lightworker' reasons (because I want to consume less, want to cost less to the system) but I am actually motivated by an agenda (want to feel good that I'm doing the right thing for ther planet; want to think I'm improving the lives of others which makes me feel good) then I'm doing it for just as selfish a reason - to make me feel good aboout myself. The end result is the same to the collective, and both are selfish.



Wow -so if someone desperately needed to die for a reason that was very important TO THEM but not important enough TO YOU - you wouldn't do it?

Very selfish, you darkworker!

You're not really listening to what I'm saying. I get the feeling you're hearing what you want to hear.

I suppose I'll point out exactly what I mean:

I could argue, based on the quote above, that a lot of darkworkers are engaging in proper service because they are engaging in service that benefits others but that aligns with their own self.

No, you couldn't argue that. Because "based on the quote above" you have to intend to serve the exact wants and needs of a person.

My losing weight benefits others

But they didn't ask for you to lose weight for them, nor did you intend to serve them by losing weight.

Therefore, it's not my conception of service-to-others.

Wow -so if someone desperately needed to die for a reason that was very important TO THEM but not important enough TO YOU - you wouldn't do it?

Like I said in my post that you apparently didn't read - abstaining from service isn't selfish.

You can disagree with my definition if you want, and I won't argue with that, but so far you haven't done that, you've just made a very feeble attempt at finding a logical inconsistency.