[dhg]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Our conditioning and roles are not to be fought either, I think. To fight all that is to get down on yourself for having habits and that makes a downward spiral. We have to accept where we are with our baggage to become more whole. And this includes baggage that we think is "good". Like "look at how good I am at such and such." That is identification with habitual forms and is a house of cards.

I think we're on the same page here. It's just that we use the term fight slightly different. Maybe overcome is a better term for what I meant - the way to overcome (or to fight, in the sense I meant it) conditioning, is to accept it.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

So, yes, we are giving a vehicle to express something here, I agree - like an interface to this 3d realm. But we are not that interface - we are the experience running through it. There is much more to experience other than just this 3d world and we have lost what the other experiences are. The other experiences overlay on this 3d world since everything is actually divine - we just forget that.

I think I agree.

But myself I can't, at the time being at least, avoid the fact that there is this great world this vehicle allows me to experience. I guess one result of this belief of us being something else, something more pure, is that it might make you want to detach from this physical world, since it is not real anyway. But I think that is a mistake. To further the analogy: I want to take my vehicle for a great ride - not let it sit and rust away in obscurity!

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Awareness of being in duality is how I would say things like this. I don't think most definitions put the ego there. Awareness is the real you that isn't stuck in duality or form or wanting or striving or needing. Awareness of duality should show us the illusion of it such that we don't need to look to the 3d world to be what gives our life meaning.

I think in philosophy, metaphysics put ego as a "conscious thinking subject". I think I would refer to it as "sense of self", conditioning stripped. And as I understand Steve's article, it's ego in this sense that not is to be fought.