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Old 04-03-2008, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cantando View Post
Scenario 1: You are observing the butterfly. The butterfly is affected to some degree by your observing along with many other factors. The butterfly must fly off to the right (for example) because of the combined causational factors.

Scenario 2: You are not observing the butterfly. The butterfly flies off to the left because of the combined causational factors.

However, there are not two outcomes. Only one scenario occurs with one certain outcome.
Yes. So the question is - which scenario will occur? Is the butterfly pre-determined to fly in any one particular direction?

To answer that question, I need to go back one step, and ask - will I observe the butterfly or not? And is it pre-determined that I will or will not observe the butterfly?

To answer this, I have to go another step back. What factors determine whether I will observe or not observe, and are those factors present? Let me check.

My very checking affects those factors. So I need to go one step further, to decide whether it was pre-determined that I would do this check.

Now I have to investigate whether I will do this check. But my very investigation affects that question.

Now I shall conduct an inquiry as to whether it is predetermined that I would do such an investigation. But that inquiry affects that investigation .......

You see?

So in the end, is the butterfly's outcome predetermined or not?

To investigate this, you may wish to google this word - "beginninglessness".
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