[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by JoeGoldfarb

Yes. If there were a way of tracking the movement of every single particle, then all aspects of any system are known.

The tracking of the movement itself affects the movement.

that is a paradox and a flaw in QT. the fact that this paradox and other exist is proof QT is incomplete.

No doubt there is much more to discover about QT.

However the fact that you consider the QT paradox to be a flaw, merely shows that you have already made the assumption that pre-determinism prevails. But that is what we are discussing in the first place.

Easy answer - know/measure the temperature of the thermometer before it is inserted into the glass of hot water.

The determination of the thermometer's temperature itself affects the thermometer's temperature.

There will be a point when we may conclude that for all practical purposes of determining the hot water's temperature, these details are too miniscule to be any real significance.

In a free-will/pre-determinism context, however, there is probably no such point.

just because the reasons for causality are not apparent to you does not mean they do not exist. you are a victim of cause and effect, like everything else that belongs inside this universe - you are not somehow magically separated from this.

I do not tend towards the view that "I" am somehow magically separated from the rest of the universe. If anything, I tend to the completely opposite view -

"I" am the universe; everything is inextricably linked; consciousness overrides all else. Etc etc.

it is not thoughts that effect reality, it's actions.

You, dear Joe, have never performed any action in your life, which was not a consequence of your own thoughts.