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Old 04-02-2008, 07:57 PM   #26 (permalink)
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No. The more you know about a system, the less you will know about some other aspect of the system.
Yes. If there were a way of tracking the movement of every single particle, then all aspects of any system are known.

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This follows simply from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Eg the more precisely you know a particle's position, the less you know of its momentum. And vice versa.
that is a paradox and a flaw in QT. the fact that this paradox and other exist is proof QT is incomplete.

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Simple example - I seek to measure the temperature of a glass of hot water. When I insert the thermometer, the thermometer itself absorbs some heat from the water, thereby altering the temperature of the water, which was what I sought to measure in the first place.
Easy answer - know/measure the temperature of the thermometer before it is inserted into the glass of hot water.

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Similarly, the more I scrutinise my own possible reasons for getting up or not getting up to eat or not eat, the more I am likely to create new reasons in my own mind for getting up or not getting up to eat or not eat. Reasons which would not have existed, if I had not conducted the scrutiny in the first place.
just because the reasons for causality are not apparent to you does not mean they do not exist. you are a victim of cause and effect, like everything else that belongs inside this universe - you are not somehow magically separated from this.

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Thus the process of investigating whether a thing is predetermined, itself affects the question of whether it is or is not predetermined.
not when that which is investigating is it self under the same system, operating under the same laws.

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Take it a few steps further ...... well, basically, you get the Law of Attraction (every thought you think affects reality in some way) or karma (every thought you think predisposes you to further think similar thoughts, since we are habit-forming creatures).
it is not thoughts that effect reality, it's actions.
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