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Old 04-02-2008, 08:08 AM   #18 (permalink)
Acting Like Godot
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Originally Posted by JoeGoldfarb View Post
on the contrary, there is a growing opinion among the scientific community that the universe only appears random on the fundamental level due to a lack of information about it. the less information that is known about a system, the greater it's appearance of randomness, and that seems to be the case with the conventional theory.

No. The more you know about a system, the less you will know about some other aspect of the system.

This follows simply from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Eg the more precisely you know a particle's position, the less you know of its momentum. And vice versa.

This isn't to be confused with the related but distinct observer effect. Basically you can describe it as follows - the more you seek to observe and measure a system, the greater the effect of your observation/measurement on the system itself. The system is thereby affected in a way which it would not have been affected, if you had not sought to observe or measure it.

Simple example - I seek to measure the temperature of a glass of hot water. When I insert the thermometer, the thermometer itself absorbs some heat from the water, thereby altering the temperature of the water, which was what I sought to measure in the first place.

Similarly, the more I scrutinise my own possible reasons for getting up or not getting up to eat or not eat, the more I am likely to create new reasons in my own mind for getting up or not getting up to eat or not eat. Reasons which would not have existed, if I had not conducted the scrutiny in the first place.

Thus the process of investigating whether a thing is predetermined, itself affects the question of whether it is or is not predetermined.

Take it a few steps further ...... well, basically, you get the Law of Attraction (every thought you think affects reality in some way) or karma (every thought you think predisposes you to further think similar thoughts, since we are habit-forming creatures).

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