Originally Posted by leshka
I think those who are/were truly hopeless/suicidal are already dead, but those who still alive still have a HOPE, which keeps them alive. I agree that it is not possible to save all suicidal people but maybe some of them still have a chance?
well I have to severely disagree with you on many levels. For one thing you have mis-titled this thread badly as it is not intended for those who are truly suicidal. It's more geared to those who are discontent and maybe have passing thoughts of suicide. Big difference, and I think it should be better clarified, in the post if not the title.
Secondly I disagree with your "all or nothing" thinking, though I see this as a bigger cultural problem. People want change to happen overnight. They want instant gratification. Now I don't really know where you get the idea that there is something "wrong" or "impossible" about moving slowly. I know you speak from experience, but so do I. While the "move slowly" tactic can be difficult and at times painful I do find it overall pretty rewarding. You experience things that'd you'd miss out completely with an "instant catharsis".
Another problem with massive leaps is that the higher you jump, the further you have to fall. It may work out brilliantly, and perhaps it did for you. But it can just as easily, and I'd say more likely put you over the edge. Why take the risk when it's not really necessary? I will agree with you that a major shake up in environment can be a big help, but it's not going to solve your problems at once. Now matter where you go and no matter how different it is, you are still the same person inside. Environment can hinder or help so it shouldn't be ignored, but in the end the changes you make must come from within.
And finally I would say that hope is incredibly overrated and that the only way to truly live is to give up hope completely. Once you do that, you can begin to engage with reality as it is, and not as you want it to be. You reclaim your power and your life and you can begin to move away from suicidal thoughts as begin to determine for yourself what it is you value about your existence.
In short I think your advice may have some usefulness to a select group of people who maybe have hit a brief rough patch. But to the truly suicidal/hopeless I think it comes off as patronizing. Nothing personal, just my honest reaction.