Ok, say logic is unpersuasive. Let's stick to pure good ol' rhetoric
. To me pleasure is almost background noise. It's not an end or a purpose or anything tangible at all. To me performing right action as sacrifice to God is the highest expression of God because joy is a given. In my value system the good and the great is where it's at. If I happen to love life at the same time, boo ya !
Frankly I think we are just mincing words anyway.