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Old 11-29-2006, 10:54 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Radical View Post
I don't care what Gödel thinks - who is he anyway?
Yeah that proves the point, you don't care about scientific thinking. You belief in something that is proven wrong and you don't even care that it is proven wrong.
At the same moment you label the thing other people belief in as pseudoscience.

Gödel is someone who was crazy.
He died because his wife went to the hospital.
He thought that someone wanted to poison him so he didn't eat anything that wasn't made by his wife.
He showed that things that we think are common sense are wrong. Apart from the Incompletness Theorem he showed that the general relativity theory would allow time travel.

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Einstein spent most of his life trying to find a TOE, and although our current knowledge of the universe is not yet advanced enough to find a TOE, that doesn't discount the possibility of finding such a theory in the future.
Einstein, who was by the way Gödels friend, searched in his active time after a ToE.
Gödel showed in 1931 that it can't be found, with was quite a blow for those people who searched for an ToE at the time.

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Also, you say the results of gravity aren't always the same. Lets just say I've never heard of anyone defying the law of gravity, other than in works of science fiction.
Einstein is all about that Newton was wrong and that the law of gravitation is relativ.
If the law of gravitation would work everywhere the same way you wouldn't need Relativity.

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But, I'm not sure the incompleteness theorems necessarily rule out a TOE, if by TOE we really just mean a single theory that unifies the known physical forces in a single framework.
What you mean is the Final Theory, the think that modern physicists search, because Gödel showed that they can't find a Theory of Everything.
The Final Theory is a theory of everything except the things we can't prove and the physicists hope that the laws of physics are part of the things they can prove.

But there are things that exist (or at least most people belief that they exist) but are not described by the laws of physics, Truth for example.
You can't study truth with physical laws. But saying that their is no truth (that truth isn't part of everything that exists) would be a huge problem for the physicists.

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I am amused by Radical's Question everything philosophy
He doesn't follow that philosophy, he believes in a ToE and doesn't even question the belief if told that it is proved wrong.

In addition I would like to add that I am no believer of the LoA. (I even think primarily in the classic Obejective Reality model)
I think that the model for beliefs that Steve proposes in his http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...yond-religion/ is better.
Being a believer just limits your options.

So if you follow the "Question everything"-philosophy get as result neither "LoA works" nor "LoA does't work".
For pratical purposes one can think in both models and then make a decision. If you can't, you are as closeminded as over 99% percent of people on this planet.
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