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Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot  What you seem to be saying is:
- If the situation is positive, the persons involved have manifested it.
- If the situation is neutral, the people involved have manifested it.
- But if the situation is negative, the people involved did not manifest it.
This looks quite untenable to me, but today what I will explore is another angle. Consider your proposition:
"Tragedies are not manifested by their victims."
Entirely leaving aside the question of whether this proposition is actually "true" or not ..... I will warn you that it is potentially a very disempowering belief to hold. |
I'm not saying it is a definite that if the situation is negative, the people involved did not manifest it. I see plenty of negative situations that have occurred in my own life that I figure came about because they fulfilled some other intention I had going. And it gets complicated to explain because everything is connected, and around here I might not have to explain but to skeptics I would. Like in my initial postings, where I was aggravated and disturbed because that week I had started manifesting for an extra $1,000, and my furnace self-destructed and I was able to get a no-interest loan that gave me an extra $1,000 that I didn't have to spend on a new furnace. And I was saying, here on the board: this is powerful magic and I have to learn to rein it in so it doesn't fly around destroying things to fulfill my intentions.
A skeptic would say, look: your furnace was 15 years old and it needed replacing. And I would say, yeah, but funny coincidence it happened exactly at that particular moment.
One day a couple friends and I were roaming around in my car, and they wanted to go to a bar about 10 miles out of town and I didn't. They really wanted to go, and I really didn't, because I knew we would sit there for hours and it would be boring as hell, and they really like going there and I really don't, so we sat there in line at a Jo To Go bickering about it, and my car stopped running.
Now, the skeptic will say, look: your car had 150,000 miles on it, and something was bound to go out. And I would say, but you don't get it. My car and I have a
relationship. My car is a sentient being, and we are partners. And this may sound wack to most people, but Richard Bach talks about this in regard to his airplanes too. And I already knew the car needed about $1,000 worth of maintenance, and unknown to me the fuel pump was shot, and we are all sitting here in line at the Jo To Go bickering about whether to go to this country bar, and the car spies an auto repair shop about 500 feet away and figures, well, this is as good a time as any, and stops running because the fuel pump is shot.
So we push the car over to the repair shop and call for somebody to pick us up, and I don't have to go to the bar, and the car needed all this work done on it anyways so this was as good a time as any. Heck, we didn't even have to get it towed. The shop was right there.
You see -- I do get how we manifest negative situations.
However: I see other events that do not bring anybody anything they want, and as has been said, we can't get into someone else's mind to know all their fears and subconscious processes, and yes, it is not empowering to believe that sometimes events are brought down upon us out of nowhere, either because **** happens or because there is some divine purpose, but I have trouble coming up with any other answer.
I have a friend whose mother was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in her early 60s. His father had passed away many years before. This m.s. problem did not bring anybody anything they wanted. It was at first a moderate annoyance and later became a truly distressing problem and later became debilitating enough that she had to go live in a nursing home, and it was stressful and awful and she spent her three years in the nursing home working on being able to walk again so she could get the hell out of there, and one day she woke up and one arm was so weak she couldn't even get out of bed by herself, and a couple days later she had a massive heart attack and died. So I actually have considered she may have brought on that heart attack because she may have been thinking: "Enough already."
The m.s.? I don't see any way she would have manifested that on her own, nor her son or daughter either, as the whole experience was entirely awful.
But as you say, it's non-falsifiable, if you're going to claim that she brought it on by some subconscious prior programming, or some unknown fear of being helpless, or something like that. And I don't know how in the world my friend would have manifested this situation for himself either. Again, non-falsifiable.
I might say maybe we are presented with a tough situation in order to learn something. Maybe you would say we present ourselves with that situation because we know we need to learn something. Does that ring true?
On the other hand, I don't know what anybody was supposed to learn from this older woman getting m.s. Except that we really should find a cure or prevention for m.s. because it sucks.