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Originally Posted by Mato Kinze  I truly think you need to be a little more cognizant of what you speak before you do so.
Lucifer had nothing to do with the Greeks and any attempt to place him there is Neo-Pagan gobbledy gook that has about as much validity as post-doctoral work for Lemmings. Lucifer was a Hebrew construction - the "Son of the Morning Star" and highly favored by God.
Isaiah 14:12-17 states: " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. "Those who see you will gaze at you, [And] consider you, [saying:] '[Is] this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, [Who] did not open the house of his prisoners?' New King James Version
In the book of Revelation Chapter 12, Lucifer, who after his fall became known as Satan, is referred to as a "dragon". But what was he like before he became Satan? According to the the Bible (Various versions use different words but the gist is the same) Lucifer, had:
1. Perfect Beauty - Lucifer was probably the most beautiful creature in the universe
2. Complete Wisdom - Isn't it ironic that both Lucifer and Solomon were wise, yet both rebelled against God?
3. He walked in Eden the garden of God - This is probably referring to a pre-adamic eden.
4. He was adorned with riches - This signifies that he was was ruler (like a king) who was given the riches of the land. Riches glorify kings.
5. He was one of the Cherub - Cherubim are associated with guarding the holiness of God (Gen. 3:24), with the throne of God (Ezek. 1:5), and here apparently with the actual presence of God. Satan was on the holy mountain of God and he walked in the midst of the stones of fire, likely references to the presence of God Himself. Apparently Satan was the chief guardian of God’s holiness and majesty.
6. He was perfect -How could such a magnificent creature become such an evil loathsome being we now know as Satan? Referred to in Revelation 12:7 as a "dragon" Dragon is derived from the Greek word drakwn which means "hideous monster or serpent".
Lucifer’s sin lay in his ambition to ascend into heaven and set his throne above the stars of God and to become equal with God. Beholding his own beauty, a created beauty, and being lifted up in pride, he aspired to leave the bounds of his proper position as a created being and fell into sin.
Of course, this really only matters if you want to follow a Christian tradition. I gave that up long ago, but still, as my mother says; "You have to know the rules before you can break them."
Sorry shadow.pulsar, your "cog" is limp and your argument pedantic. |
Any modern version of the Bible, or really any from 325AD on, has been translated through multiple languages and could easily have introduced the name "Lucifer" as they saw fit- I can think of the Bible being translated from Hebrew, to Greek, to Latin, to English off the top of my head, with likely plenty of others as well. The Old Testament itself IIRC was edited and changed around during the existence of the Kingdom of Israel, and was as much a political instrument as the NT was for Rome and beyond.
IIRC, "Lucifer" is a Latin name, and not a hebrew one, and wasn't even the Greek name of the god "Lucifer" refers to (no idea what the Greek name was), who eventually became synonymous with Satan.
I've always found it historically fitting, and morbidly amusing, that this particular religion would proclaim "Widsom and Knowledge" to be "Satan". It's right on though.