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Old 03-14-2008, 03:09 AM   #286 (permalink)
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saying the universe is intelligent is the extra claim, and therefore has the burden of proof

the default position is that it is not intelligent, until proven otherwise

the universe not being intelligent is the simpler self evident belief.

to say it is something more, and something against what is self evident requires proof

there is none and therefore belief that the universe is intelligent at this time is unjustified.

so that makes it a guess as far as objective knowledge goes. i dont mind various guesses, ideas, etc.. i just dont like them claimed to be more then that.

but the universe can be viewed as intelligent on a subjective basis, that is fine. like as a temporary subjective viewpoint, a means to an end, and such.

for example: saying things like: its hotter then hell out today. that is just a subjective veiwpoint, an analogy, etc... i dont mind if people say of view things subjectively for certain personal reasons.

i just dont like people confusing objectivity and subjectivity.

science gives us our objective knowledge. subjectivity is more like a tool for our personal use, not objectively true.
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