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Jamie · 03-12-2008, 09:56 PM

Hi Joe,

I'm not getting angry! On the topic of 'god' ...

Before we can debate the existance of 'god', I think we should fisrt define what 'god' is. What do you think? Does that make sense? It's probably a whole thread in itself ...

So, when people say 'god' what do they mean?

To be honest, I haven't a clue! Or a care.

I know what I mean, when I use the word. I'll come to that later. Let me also point out, that I consider the word 'god' itself, to be very loaded, with connotation and meaning that I don't personally subscribe to. I certainly, don't do the 'let's go to church and all believe the same thing, because, well, that's what everyone else is doing'. NO NO NO NO NO NO!

I think our beliefs as to the nature of reality, our own being etc, should come about through personal introspection and spiritual growth, which isn't forced, but should be as natural as a flower opening up in springtime.

There is no religious basis for my belief, in what I refer to as 'god' (actually, I very rarely use the word, I find it creates more problems than it solves). I am also way more inclined towards Taoism.

So, my version of 'god' is more akin to 'tao', I use it to mean, the source of everything and nothing, manifest physical universe, and other all planes of existance and non-existance. I certainly don't mean there's a little man with a white beard sitting up in the clouds, who loves us all. It's, for me, an impersonal force, or intelligence, that pervades all life. I think yoda says it best:

YouTube - Yoda Dagobah

Also, there's an issue of, where do you end, and god begins? What is behond yourself, behond your body, your mind, your spirit? Where you end, what is there behond that? Yes, I agree with you, there is a real danger that we rely on hope and wish-ful thinking, this is a big NO NO, but, it isn't what I'm suggesting anyone should do. Conversely, there is much danger in too much reliance on our logical clinical minds to come to conclusion as to the nature of reality. We can be blinded by our own understanding. All I am advocating, is complete, utter, unappologetic, self honety, self awareness.

In the end (or where I am now) I come to the following conclusions:

You *are* god (you are absolute reality manifesting itself, probably checking out what it's like to have limitations).

The word 'god' is very dangerous to use in our culture. It's just so 'loaded' and means different things to different people.

That's all for now.

Jamie.

03-12-2008, 09:56 PM	#277 (permalink)
Jamie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK Posts: 566	Hi Joe, I'm not getting angry! On the topic of 'god' ... Before we can debate the existance of 'god', I think we should fisrt define what 'god' is. What do you think? Does that make sense? It's probably a whole thread in itself ... So, when people say 'god' what do they mean? To be honest, I haven't a clue! Or a care. I know what I mean, when I use the word. I'll come to that later. Let me also point out, that I consider the word 'god' itself, to be very loaded, with connotation and meaning that I don't personally subscribe to. I certainly, don't do the 'let's go to church and all believe the same thing, because, well, that's what everyone else is doing'. NO NO NO NO NO NO! I think our beliefs as to the nature of reality, our own being etc, should come about through personal introspection and spiritual growth, which isn't forced, but should be as natural as a flower opening up in springtime. There is no religious basis for my belief, in what I refer to as 'god' (actually, I very rarely use the word, I find it creates more problems than it solves). I am also way more inclined towards Taoism. So, my version of 'god' is more akin to 'tao', I use it to mean, the source of everything and nothing, manifest physical universe, and other all planes of existance and non-existance. I certainly don't mean there's a little man with a white beard sitting up in the clouds, who loves us all. It's, for me, an impersonal force, or intelligence, that pervades all life. I think yoda says it best: YouTube - Yoda Dagobah Also, there's an issue of, where do you end, and god begins? What is behond yourself, behond your body, your mind, your spirit? Where you end, what is there behond that? Yes, I agree with you, there is a real danger that we rely on hope and wish-ful thinking, this is a big NO NO, but, it isn't what I'm suggesting anyone should do. Conversely, there is much danger in too much reliance on our logical clinical minds to come to conclusion as to the nature of reality. We can be blinded by our own understanding. All I am advocating, is complete, utter, unappologetic, self honety, self awareness. In the end (or where I am now) I come to the following conclusions: You are god (you are absolute reality manifesting itself, probably checking out what it's like to have limitations). The word 'god' is very dangerous to use in our culture. It's just so 'loaded' and means different things to different people. That's all for now. Jamie. Last edited by Jamie; 03-12-2008 at 10:02 PM.