[joecooool]

its amazing how much im being straw manned simply for being rational

im seeing one primary mistake your all making:

you keep appealing to the unknown to justify belief in specific things!


im the one thats saying leave the unknown unknown.

we only know what we have evidence to back, the rest is unknown, so leave it that way.

if you want to know more about the unknown you cant guess, you have to work on advancing science.

any guesses you have are just that: guesses. im simply pointing that out

god is a guess

i am not close minded, and i am not a science freak, so stop straw manning me as one, i am simply someone that recognizes our human limitations.


god belief is a god of the gaps fallacy, filling god into the unknown, and using ignorance of the unknown to justify its belief.

i tailor my beliefs to the empirical evidence, to mainstream scientific consensus. and i DONT think i know everything. i am the one that is admitting how little we do know. i am the one being humble and admitting that we know what we have empirical evidence and logical theory to explain, the rest we dont know, and we should step off our high horses and admit that!


all we know is what we can observe with our senses, this is why we have science, the rest is simply our imagination, a fantasy.

and i can back this position philosophically, i have studied the philosophy of science.


i am an agnostic atheist, in that i simply lack the belief that god exists, due to considering gods existence currently unknown. and i do not write the supernatural off as pure ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, i enjoy explaining it as subjectivity, as a demonstration of just how powerful the subjective portion of our reality can be.

this has been my position since the beginning of this thread, and has been my positon for several years now, since i have yet to meet anyone that has provided me with any evidence or reason to back their claim that god exists which i cannot easily refute in multiple ways.

i find the existence of god ends up being very similar to the existence of the matrix. a currently unknown, and possibly always unknowable, concept that is, and possibly always will be, possible yet never provable.

belief in things of that status is unjustified.

but if your going to be irrational and use faith to back your claim in things of that status(like god) then i can simply leave rationality as well and use faith as well to say god absolutely does not exist. and i do that sometimes, to try and balance people out to the middle position, that god existence is simply unknown.... and therefore irrelevant.