Haha, well, I can see that bringing up the subject of subjectivity/objectivity was bound to generate responses. My question, if it is ok with the owner of this thread, is this; how can consciousness be an ultimate? If something does not operate based upon some rules, then it by definition is chaos. So it follows that, if this consciousness is not bound by any rules, then it will inherently do anything with no reason whatsoever. But, if it operates upon some basic rules to govern its behavior, then we are in agreeance and are simply arguing semantics. My belief in objectivity is that there are basic rules that govern everything, ultimate arbitrary rules to the universe that dictate everything that exists within it and are not susceptible to alteration. An example of such a rule would be the speed of light. No matter how fast you are moving relative to something else, the speed of light will appear to be the same to you and them. So even if you are moving at 99% the speed of light, light will still appear to be moving at the speed of light to you. There is no reason for this rule, it is simply there, an objective truth (at least as far as we know, although the romantic in me hopes for a loophole
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