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Oopkop · 01-23-2008, 07:14 AM

>Scientific evidence for survival of consciousness after death

Lol, real scientist have already proven that those obe of near death is nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain that causes hallucination's.

>To the 150 iq man

I genius kid in china with iq of 210 still believes in santa claus, does that make smart people dumb? no. It makes you gullible

There are millions of people in the world who have claimed to experience a paranormal, or supernatural event. These range from out of body experiences, claims of psychic powers, near death experiences, ghost sightings, answered prayers, miraculous healings, etc.

Many religious people claim that there is a supernatural realm, and point to some of the above examples as "proof", yet as I will show, these "proofs" are fraudulent because of these peoples' lack of knowledge about such events.

With the history of such phenomenon as lighting storms, hurricane like winds, droughts, etc. I have no doubt that the people of the past felt these things were miraculous signs of their creator, yet in our more enlightened time now (depending on how you look at it), we don't see anyone claiming these natural occurrences have a supernatural cause. The problem is, just as in the past, we have many unexplained things which we experience, or hear about, and we just don't have a lot of answers about them at this moment in time. Or we have no information at the current time whatsoever.

With such a history of human kind, I find it hard to believe that we are still using the old "god of the gaps" argument; using god (or whatever deity you believe in) as the explanation for something we know nothing about. This solves nothing, because you haven't even proven any god exists to begin with. We don't need to use some imaginary thing to explain it away.

The same arguments goes with supernatural events, james randi is a example that no so called supernatural can stand reasonble testing.

So many people believe in these so called psychics' supposed powers to contact the dead, and predict the future, but it's nothing but a big, elaborate magic show.

> to the psychic lady

There are basically two kinds of readings a "psychic" can perform: "Cold" or "Hot" readings. "Cold" readings are when a "psychic" doesn't know anything about a particular person, and must therefore, "fish" for information, by throwing out vague statements. Such an example could be that a "psychic" asks a group if there was anyone who lost someone by the name of Joe, John, or James. The more people that are present, ups the success rate of this kind of shot gun - like tactic. They throw out a few random, vague guesses, and hope that someone in the audience has lost someone who had that name, or some other derivative. Though, common sense should tell people that, if someone were truly psychic, they wouldn't need to "fish" for information like that!

Though, unknowing subjects gladly hand over, and confirm, anything which a "psychic" gets correct, which gives them something to grab on to, and use, to get more information from someone. For example, if the "psychic" asks if your loved one liked planes, and you answer yes, they will hone in on that information, and use it, and ask more questions, such as, "They were a piolet, weren't they?", and the audience member says "yes", and gladly hands this information over to the "psychic". The thing many people don't realize, is that they were the ones who told the "psychic" the information. The "psychic" asked a question...it wasn't a statement.

I myself went to psychic to debunk them, Shockingly most of the psychics i went to had a 70% accuracy. I wrote all the question down and proceeded to ask the same question to 10 of my friends again shockingly i hit home with about 70% It all comes down to the vagueness

many people who go to psycics subconsciously want to be fooled. They want to be able to contact their loved ones, and so when the "psychic" is throwing out all these incorrect guesses (as in a cold reading), the person will usually only remember the correct guesses, and not the wrong ones. This same phenomenon is also seen with supposed answered prayer. They only remember when their prayers were supposedly answered, and not when they weren't.

>OBE

Activity in one region of the brain could explain out-of-body experiences. Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomenon using electrodes.

People describe out-of-body experiences as feeling that their consciousness becomes detached from their body, often floating above it. Because these lucid states are popularly linked to the paranormal, "a lot of people are reluctant to talk about them", says neurologist Olaf Blanke of Geneva University Hospital in Switzerland.

Blanke found that electrically stimulating one brain region — the right angular gyrus — repeatedly triggers out-of-body experiences. Blanke and his team were using electrodes to excite the brain of a woman being treated for epilepsy.

The right angular gyrus integrates visual information — the sight of your body — and information that creates the mind's representation of your body. This is based on balance and feedback from your limbs about their position in space.

>Please enlighten us, all you've done is spout prejudice.

The sun can reflect a image of a car or person through with the help of clouds up to 100 km's away. One natural way of explaining ghosts, another one is psychological reason.

01-23-2008, 07:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Oopkop Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6	>Scientific evidence for survival of consciousness after death Lol, real scientist have already proven that those obe of near death is nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain that causes hallucination's. >To the 150 iq man I genius kid in china with iq of 210 still believes in santa claus, does that make smart people dumb? no. It makes you gullible There are millions of people in the world who have claimed to experience a paranormal, or supernatural event. These range from out of body experiences, claims of psychic powers, near death experiences, ghost sightings, answered prayers, miraculous healings, etc. Many religious people claim that there is a supernatural realm, and point to some of the above examples as "proof", yet as I will show, these "proofs" are fraudulent because of these peoples' lack of knowledge about such events. With the history of such phenomenon as lighting storms, hurricane like winds, droughts, etc. I have no doubt that the people of the past felt these things were miraculous signs of their creator, yet in our more enlightened time now (depending on how you look at it), we don't see anyone claiming these natural occurrences have a supernatural cause. The problem is, just as in the past, we have many unexplained things which we experience, or hear about, and we just don't have a lot of answers about them at this moment in time. Or we have no information at the current time whatsoever. With such a history of human kind, I find it hard to believe that we are still using the old "god of the gaps" argument; using god (or whatever deity you believe in) as the explanation for something we know nothing about. This solves nothing, because you haven't even proven any god exists to begin with. We don't need to use some imaginary thing to explain it away. The same arguments goes with supernatural events, james randi is a example that no so called supernatural can stand reasonble testing. So many people believe in these so called psychics' supposed powers to contact the dead, and predict the future, but it's nothing but a big, elaborate magic show. > to the psychic lady There are basically two kinds of readings a "psychic" can perform: "Cold" or "Hot" readings. "Cold" readings are when a "psychic" doesn't know anything about a particular person, and must therefore, "fish" for information, by throwing out vague statements. Such an example could be that a "psychic" asks a group if there was anyone who lost someone by the name of Joe, John, or James. The more people that are present, ups the success rate of this kind of shot gun - like tactic. They throw out a few random, vague guesses, and hope that someone in the audience has lost someone who had that name, or some other derivative. Though, common sense should tell people that, if someone were truly psychic, they wouldn't need to "fish" for information like that! Though, unknowing subjects gladly hand over, and confirm, anything which a "psychic" gets correct, which gives them something to grab on to, and use, to get more information from someone. For example, if the "psychic" asks if your loved one liked planes, and you answer yes, they will hone in on that information, and use it, and ask more questions, such as, "They were a piolet, weren't they?", and the audience member says "yes", and gladly hands this information over to the "psychic". The thing many people don't realize, is that they were the ones who told the "psychic" the information. The "psychic" asked a question...it wasn't a statement. I myself went to psychic to debunk them, Shockingly most of the psychics i went to had a 70% accuracy. I wrote all the question down and proceeded to ask the same question to 10 of my friends again shockingly i hit home with about 70% It all comes down to the vagueness many people who go to psycics subconsciously want to be fooled. They want to be able to contact their loved ones, and so when the "psychic" is throwing out all these incorrect guesses (as in a cold reading), the person will usually only remember the correct guesses, and not the wrong ones. This same phenomenon is also seen with supposed answered prayer. They only remember when their prayers were supposedly answered, and not when they weren't. >OBE Activity in one region of the brain could explain out-of-body experiences. Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomenon using electrodes. People describe out-of-body experiences as feeling that their consciousness becomes detached from their body, often floating above it. Because these lucid states are popularly linked to the paranormal, "a lot of people are reluctant to talk about them", says neurologist Olaf Blanke of Geneva University Hospital in Switzerland. Blanke found that electrically stimulating one brain region — the right angular gyrus — repeatedly triggers out-of-body experiences. Blanke and his team were using electrodes to excite the brain of a woman being treated for epilepsy. The right angular gyrus integrates visual information — the sight of your body — and information that creates the mind's representation of your body. This is based on balance and feedback from your limbs about their position in space. >Please enlighten us, all you've done is spout prejudice. The sun can reflect a image of a car or person through with the help of clouds up to 100 km's away. One natural way of explaining ghosts, another one is psychological reason.