[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Tim Brownson

So you utterly believe it can't be proved, so it can't, right?

Well you've kind of proved my point for me in so much as we don't know really how to do this because you have had to go back 70 years to find an event to back you up.

Nah ... I can find lots of other "paranormal" events of much more recent vintage. But I thought this levitation example was a good example, because you mentioned that a press release would settle the matter, and this particular matter had received wide publicity.

If somebody could step off the building and when I say somebody I don't mean a holy man per se because I feel sure they'd not want to be involved in such a spectacle, but somebody that has learned this and holds a western perspective. Then with modern reporting etc it could be proved, of that I have no doubt whatsoever. This isn't the 1930's. All you do is head for the greatest skeptics with the power to influence, allow them to set it up and do it.

1. In 1974, a scientific conference was held whereby 21 scientists from different countries came to study one man for three days. His name was Matthew Manning, and he displayed a wide range of psychic abilities to the scientists. At least one of those scientists is still actively researching telepathy today. His name is Professor Brian Josephson - a Nobel prize winner in Physics, currently at Cambridge University.

2. Another psychic, Nina Kulagina, was studied by Russian scientists ..... for 20 years ...... She performed numerous psychic feats under laboratory conditions, such as psychokinesis - moving objects just by concentrating on them. While she performed these feats, the scientists would videotape her; scan her brainwaves, check her blood sugar, check her heart rate, check for electromagnetic activity in the room etc etc ....

3. There's this guy, often known as John of God, in Brazil. Like Esther Hicks, he does channelling, and while he's "possessed", he takes an unsterilised kitchen knife, cuts open his patients (they're conscious, and not anaesthetised), sticks his hand in, rips out a tumour. There is no bleeding; the patients feel no pain; the wound closes up almost immediately; there is no post-surgery infection. Harvard scientists have gone to watch him in action, and monitor his brain waves while he does this (apparently, during these times, as soon as he starts channelling, his brain waves accelerate to levels normally achievable only in human beings who are on drugs).

4. Said Baba is still doing his rounds every day in India; healing the sick, manifesting objects out of thin air; visiting his followers in their dreams and telling them ABC, then the next day, he asks them, "Did you not see me in your dreams last night, and did I not tell you ABC?". We actually had a forummer here before (his name was Uplift), he is an American who travelled to India and stayed with Sai Baba for months, witnessing numerous miracles for himself.

5. Daniel Dunglas Home levitated for years and years, on numerous occasions (probably a few hundred times), at all sorts of different places, in front of all sorts of different people; including scientists, journalists, judges, Queen Sophia of the Netherlands; Napoleon III etc.

6. For some years now, the Government of Vietnam has been using a small number of psychics to locate the corpses of missing soldiers who died in the Vietnam war. You guessed it - the psychics are doing an Erin Pavlina, they just call up the ghost and ask, "Okay, tell me where is your body now." BBC NEWS | Programmes | This World | Communicating with Vietnam's war dead

None of the above proves anything to the people to whom these things can't be proved.

Of course there will always be disbelievers with anything but to hold up your hands and say "nobody will believe it" is sending the wrong message unless of course you're not sure that anybody can do it or you don't want to spread this power for the advancement of the human race.

I'm not saying that NOBODY will believe X. I'm saying that some people will believe, some will be undecided, some will disbelieve - whatever X may be. X could be stepping off a tall building and surviving; or levitating; or psychokinesis; or channeling; or walking on water.

People will believe whatever is within the limits of their belief system.

By the way, a lot of Westerners don't know it, but many of the so-called miracles which Jesus allegedly did are exactly the same stuff that many "holy men" in India have been reported to do.

Walking on water, for instance, is a demonstration of what, in India, is known as "vayu siddhi". Vayu siddhi is itself is just one out of eight categories of different siddhis (a siddhi refers to a special power that, according to Indian spiritual teachings, is attainable through spiritual training).

In fact, the power to manifest your desires (which we call the Law of Attraction around here) is also a pretty ancient trick in India. Again it's just one of the siddhis. It's call prakamya siddhi.

Google and see ....... The Law of Attraction is a very, very old trick.