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The Adventurer · 12-26-2007, 08:41 PM

Sam988

I understand what you find a flaw and I think it is not.

As you say, there aren't "others" at this point. In the future there can be others if we create them. It is not only because we die that we give birth; also in order to give birth we have to die.

The universe may be infinite, but the physical world humans inhabit isn't - how would Earth look with 100 billion people on it? what about 500 billion? if it is possible to live forever and enough choose to do so, this will mean no children because of the physical limit of the environment.

Why would I think that it is good to have children and have people die instead of the same people live forever? First, evolution is based on the survival of the ones that adapt and is an excellent way for species to develop. Are we the ultimate creation of nature (as far as humans are concerned) - Homo Ultimatus? I think not.

Second, old minds stagnate. New minds see the world in a truly new way, one that is impossible for old minds to restructure to. We do experience a spiritual revolution(s) now and it opens many ways for mental restructuring, but at least until it is possible to rewire your thinking to the point of a complete change in personaty, new minds will be able to reach places beyond those accessible to old ones. A good illustration for this is the many scientific breakthroughs that were made by people who recently entered the field compared to the established authorities, and the long amount of time necessary for the new paradigms to be accepted.

12-26-2007, 08:41 PM	#129 (permalink)
The Adventurer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21	Sam988 I understand what you find a flaw and I think it is not. As you say, there aren't "others" at this point. In the future there can be others if we create them. It is not only because we die that we give birth; also in order to give birth we have to die. The universe may be infinite, but the physical world humans inhabit isn't - how would Earth look with 100 billion people on it? what about 500 billion? if it is possible to live forever and enough choose to do so, this will mean no children because of the physical limit of the environment. Why would I think that it is good to have children and have people die instead of the same people live forever? First, evolution is based on the survival of the ones that adapt and is an excellent way for species to develop. Are we the ultimate creation of nature (as far as humans are concerned) - Homo Ultimatus? I think not. Second, old minds stagnate. New minds see the world in a truly new way, one that is impossible for old minds to restructure to. We do experience a spiritual revolution(s) now and it opens many ways for mental restructuring, but at least until it is possible to rewire your thinking to the point of a complete change in personaty, new minds will be able to reach places beyond those accessible to old ones. A good illustration for this is the many scientific breakthroughs that were made by people who recently entered the field compared to the established authorities, and the long amount of time necessary for the new paradigms to be accepted.