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Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo  Well, as far as I'm informed, science is not able to measure such phenomena yet. So, what would you accept as a proof, tell me?
I told you about my experience, you said "it's anecdotal". |
When I use the term "anecdotal," it refers to a type of experience that is obviously clear to you, but can't be corroborated by an independent observer. That doesn't mean the experience isn't real, it just means that it's subjective.
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Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo Well then, can you scientifically explain to me how I did know that the hedge was missing, if I wasn't really out of my body? I guess you'll invoke some coincidence, or you'll come with some complicated theory about my brain changing my memory of the event later... |
I can't know how you knew the hedge was missing. And you can't know if your brain didn't change your memory later.
Which is, of course, exactly why an independent observer is required.
If an independent observer can tell you that, yes, you knew the hedge was missing then clearly that points to something very amazing and is certainly worthy of further investigation.
Your experience might be the key to unlock a whole series of new mysteries and discoveries!
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Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo My point is, no matter what you're told, you'll find some explanation to dismiss what you don't want to hear. How do you want them to prove something science cannot measure with instruments and you are not willing to hear in the first place? |
The scientific method isn't all about white lab coats and fancy machines with dials and lights and microscopes and wild-haired physicists and all the rest. It's simply a way of looking at the world, based on evidence.
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Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo edit: Why do you believe only in what science can prove? |
Because it's the only method we have that works. It's certainly not foolproof, but with proper controls and systems it can provide a reasonably accurate view of the world.
Scientists are just as prone to dogma as anyone else, by the way. Yes, there are some that would dismiss experiences like yours out-of-hand because it doesn't fit with their view of the world.
But that's not a good basis for inquiry. It presupposes certain "realities" which may, nor may not, be accurate.
That's why constant testing and revising of hypotheses are so crucial.
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Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo There was a time where science wasn't able to measure electromagnetic waves or explain how they work or even prove their existence either. You think our science now is much better? pah! In 200 years they'll be laughing at today's science. |
EXACTLY!!
You absolutely nailed it. By asking questions, seeking evidence and creating hypothesis, scientists in 200 years WILL be laughing at us! I have absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever.