[Brutha]

[QUOTE=Alvin;10389]Well Brutha, my take on that is that how would you know it was completely against the woman's absolute boundaries? It might have been a line she was willing to cross at some point or another.[quote]

My point is that people can't be hypnotized against their will, or to be clearer, what they perceive to be their moral/ethical boundaries.

You said perceived moral boundaries and not absolute boundaries. And their are a whole lot of those perceived moral boundaries that can be overcome easily through reframing and similar things.

Have you done a handshake interrupt yourself and tested that out, Brutha?

I think this is where it gets a little murky. Yes, I agree, people's boundaries can possibly be manipulated that way. Could someone by hypnotized to believe that a jacket someone else owns is his, and thus by taking it back it'd be doing the right thing?

Possibly...

No, I haven't tried that thing myself. But their was some study, that in which people were hynotised (although the hypnosis itself was with consent) to perceive a jacket of another person as their own and steal from it afterwards.

Could he also realize that he's being hypnotized to do a wrong thing from the get-go? Absolutely.

Yes, it won't work everytime.

Could that same person be hypnotized to commit murder? I don't think so.

First, if you tell someone under hynosis directly to murder someone it will fail.
One study gave the hynotised person a glass of acid. The person got some PH-measure thing to verify that it is acid.
Then he was hynotised to belief it isn't acid. Afterwards he should throw the acid at the hynotiseur. Between them was a glass wall which prevented the acid from harming the hynotiseur.

Yes, you can argue that the hynotised person saw through the trick. But that the farest you can get to test whether people can be hynotised to murder.

And do you realy think that the majority of people has a strict moral boundry against killing another person? Even if their own life or the lived of a loved one/child is at stake?
If the moral boundry is I don't kill another person except XXY, it isn't a absolate boundry and can potentially worked around.

Their are three ways to get someone do something against their "will".
1. Getting enough motivation to do the thing. (Dan Browns The Heist stunt)
2. Reframing the situation.
3. Changing values. (Probably the hardest and that needs a lot of work)

My beliefs in that come from Erickson's own study in which he concluded he could not hypnotize people to do things against their own moral judgment

Erickson tried to tell them relativly directly to do things against their own moral judgement, but it seems to be more complicated to get people to do things against their own moral judgement.

I'll pin it down to artful persuasion, rather than someone exerting his will to force someone to do something as you seem to imply.

Yes, hypnosis against the "will" of someone is rather artful persuasion than forcing the person, but it can neverless work.