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Old 11-18-2006, 01:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
Keith
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The only trap that I can see is the trap most people make by never breaking free from the brainwashing that they're plastered with morning, noon and night.
Then perhaps you should look differently. We humans are nothing like cats, but neither are we anything like cows. To assume we must fall into one of these two extremes is a mental trap.

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Use mother nature as your guide. Humans got along quite fine without vitamin supplements and colonic irrigation until our 'intelligence' designed all these wonderful contraptions that we are slaves to. (All in the last 200 years)
Define 'quite fine'. The death and illness rates were a lot higher than they are now.

Your position has some merit, but you are looking at a complex issue in a grossly simplified way. One of the many things mother nature did, was equip human beings with enough reason to study and refine our diet (such as by isolating vitamins).

Nature's tool of choice is trial and error. It's worked admirably, but that doesn't mean a reasoned approach can't optimise it in places.

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I think if you look behind the 'prime beef' and the 'succulent oysters' you will find a fat cat counting his money at the expense of your health and your wealth.
Do you really believe that there aren't "fat cats" behind the production of the pesticide-ridden, monoculture-grown, vitamin-poor vegetables on sale at your local supermarket?

"Oh, but you can buy organic vegies!" you cry. Yup, and you can buy organic meat too (as well as meat that is healthier in other ways eg. grass-fed rather than grain-fed).

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If anyone is dubious about the quality of a vegan diet just look at the next elephant or horse, giraffe or rhino that passes your way. Oh! but where do they get their protein and calcium from....? Groan......
"If anyone is dubious about the quality of a carnivorous diet just look at the next tiger, seal, hyena or shark that passes your way. Oh! but where do they get their protein and calcium from." indeed! You can't just take the lifestyle of a completely different life form and assume it applies to human beings.

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Do yourself, other species and the environment a favour and look around us at the natural world and its creatures.
Let's. Let's look at the closest animal genetically to humans; the chimpanzee. Guess what; it's omnivorous.
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