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Clarity · 10-05-2007, 11:00 PM

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If the stove is hot and my mother tells me not to touch it - do I know that it's hot for myself? I need to experience the heat and danger of that stove for myself or I really never really know it's hot - I'll just think it is and I'll be carrying a belief that is really someone esle's (even though it may be a true belief).QUOTE]

The problem is that we are talking about the spiritual realm. You can't go and touch or look into hell. None of us can. We also can't go back in history to the days when Jesus walked on the earth.

Telling me I need to believe in Jesus to not go to hell - well why is it only through Jesus? It's a warning message to believe something or else we suffer in the afterlife? And the warning is what? To believe Jesus saved our souls for us as long as we believe something the Jesus is the only way to connect to God? Or that without Jesus specifically we go to hell?[/

Well this is the way God made it happen in my belief system. We can only ask him. Have you watched The Christmas Movie that came out last year? It is helpful in understanding some of this.

Also I would challenge you to look for an "Alpha" course in your area where these types of questions can be challenged.

Everyone's reality is true for them.

True to the level of their investigation and learning and to the level of their choice. Some people, for instance my friend Jeff. He doesn't educate his children in any "faith" saying he will let his kids decide when they are older. When they are older how can they decide anything if they haven't been exposed? It is highly unlikely that at age 21 they will just start going into synagogues or churches to check things out on their own.

There is no difference between the true messages of new age beliefs and the true teachings of Christianity. The essence of both is the same - to grow and expand joyfully, fulfilling our desires, united with source/God. That is what we should focus on - not on the limiting differences.

The difference I see is that the New Age beliefs are a mimic counterfeit of the real thing and devoid in POWER. Those with the Holy Spirit have access to his power 1 Corinthians 2:4-5 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's[new age] wisdom, but on God's power.
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

And, yes, this is ugly and scarry but here is a last thought. Not to deviate from the topic of "truth". The question is, is it wrong for some to believe this is true?

Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

10-05-2007, 11:00 PM	#42 (permalink)
Clarity Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 45	[SIZE="2"][SIZE="1"] [[SIZE="2"] If the stove is hot and my mother tells me not to touch it - do I know that it's hot for myself? I need to experience the heat and danger of that stove for myself or I really never really know it's hot - I'll just think it is and I'll be carrying a belief that is really someone esle's (even though it may be a true belief).QUOTE] The problem is that we are talking about the spiritual realm. You can't go and touch or look into hell. None of us can. We also can't go back in history to the days when Jesus walked on the earth. Telling me I need to believe in Jesus to not go to hell - well why is it only through Jesus? It's a warning message to believe something or else we suffer in the afterlife? And the warning is what? To believe Jesus saved our souls for us as long as we believe something the Jesus is the only way to connect to God? Or that without Jesus specifically we go to hell?[/ Well this is the way God made it happen in my belief system. We can only ask him. Have you watched The Christmas Movie that came out last year? It is helpful in understanding some of this. Also I would challenge you to look for an "Alpha" course in your area where these types of questions can be challenged. Everyone's reality is true for them. True to the level of their investigation and learning and to the level of their choice. Some people, for instance my friend Jeff. He doesn't educate his children in any "faith" saying he will let his kids decide when they are older. When they are older how can they decide anything if they haven't been exposed? It is highly unlikely that at age 21 they will just start going into synagogues or churches to check things out on their own. There is no difference between the true messages of new age beliefs and the true teachings of Christianity. The essence of both is the same - to grow and expand joyfully, fulfilling our desires, united with source/God. That is what we should focus on - not on the limiting differences. The difference I see is that the New Age beliefs are a mimic counterfeit of the real thing and devoid in POWER. Those with the Holy Spirit have access to his power 1 Corinthians 2:4-5 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's[new age] wisdom, but on God's power. Acts 1:8 But you will receive power* when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."* And, yes, this is ugly and scarry but here is a last thought. Not to deviate from the topic of "truth". The question is, is it wrong for some to believe this is true? Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.