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Old 08-29-2007, 11:57 PM   #17 (permalink)
Mark Lapierre
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Time may be crude and not based in truth of anything, but it works to bring organisation and identification to the human race. So I reckon it's here to stay and we can argue til the cows come home and it won't make any difference at all.
Agreed.

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So essentially for materials to exist we need our senses/ego to perceive them. So if we release ourself from our ego, no-thing exists. This might be the state of Pure Awareness - timeless because there is "no-thing" need for change. This could be why teachers of nonduality mention that everything you see is an illusion.
But as said above, if nothing exists and thus there is nothing to observe changing, what use is existence?

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What happens if we view this with the lense of quantum physics (or at least my limited understanding of it). So if everything is a probability distribution until it is observed, what does that mean? If one thing can be in two places, what does that mean? To me it means that you can't possibly view time as a difference in change because at any given period in time, objects could flash out of existance or wind up in a completely different place without travelling the distance between them.
Nothing about quantum physics says that an object can disappear and reappear somewhere else. It doesn't even say that can happen to particles at the quantum level, let alone the macroscopic level. Waveform collapse, yes. Quantum entanglement yes. But it doesn't combine to allow teleportation (of anything more than information at a subatomic level). Not as we currently understand quantum theory.

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Everything is a probability distribution, and at any period in time the world could be configured into an infinitely large array of possibilities. I feel that the current state of the universe is the collective oberservations/creations of all our splinters of consciousness. ie if your were the only consciousness participating in this universe that you could change anything instantly, but if you were part of many other consciousnesses than you would all be affecting the state of the universe thus contributing to the constancy (well fluid transitioning) that we all notice. I feel that somehow, I can grow in my consciousness. This would mean increasing the frequency of my consciousness and probably equivalently the energy involved. If this were to approach godliness than that would mean both the frequency and the energy contained in that wave would approach infinity. I feel like this would mean that time is more a change in consciousness than a change in state. Although, a change in consciousness very well would result in a change in physical state as well.
You're entitled to your intuitions and ideas, but by misusing scientific terms you only a) mislead people who don't have as much of an understanding, or b) make yourself look naive to those who understand more. The terms apply withing specific contexts. If taken out of context they lose their meaning. They can be applied to other contexts, but to do that requires defining how they apply in the expanded context. As far as I'm aware that hasn't been done with the terms you're using. This misuse turns quantum mechanics into quantum mysticism.

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What does a thought look like in wave form?
Since a waveform is a mathematical construct then such a thought would look like an equation. However, as far as I'm aware, no-one has yet isolated a single thought in terms of neurological activity. And even once that was accomplished you'd likely have 100's of thousands of neurons, if not millions, involved in that single thought. Each neuron composed of innumerable molecules, each molecule of many atoms, each atom of many subatomic particles, each possibly represented by a collapsed waveform equation...

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How do they combine to produce my individual splinter of consciousness?
Good question, and one which neuroscience is slowly figuring out. Which is probably irrelevant to most people here.

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How is matter created from consciousness?
The first question to answer is, "is matter created from consciousness?" If the answer to that question is no, then the other question makes no sense.

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The farther I think I get the more questions I come across.
Definitely. And that's a good thing, we need people asking every kind of question because otherwise we'll get too stuck in our ways. But of course that also means being able to accept when some questions are shot down
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