If you havent read the other posts , Steve is shutting down this forum. Hear is a list where some of the other members will go A list of other forums
Write down the web adress of sites you want , its all gone when Steve pulls the plug . desert rat
p.s. this site is a 3 ring circus , but if bdsm is your thing there are some hear Hip Forums - 500+ Free Speech Forums
that will discuss it with you .