[MagicalRealist]

Originally Posted by impaul99

That's exactly why I'm a GIN member. By being a member I get access to exclusive information from some of the most amazing people in the world without paying for each of the workshops individually.

But here's the thing: It's not exclusive. I don't even have to be privy to GIN's offerings to know that. The information they present? It's already available elsewhere.

Trudeau wants you to think its exclusive, so you'll keep forking over $1800 in membership fees a year. But trust me--it's not.

Meaning, GIN hosts hundreds of events that I get FREE access to as a member, so I don't have to pay for each workshop individually.

You do not get FREE access to them--you pay $150 per month, plus a $1500 enrollment fee. On what planet is that FREE?

And how many of those hundreds of events can you possibly take advantage of? How much of that information can you even begin to assimilate and use effectively? There are only so many hours in a day, after all.

(1) The "hidden secrets" to manifesting are shared in the program "Your Wish is Your Command". This program is being offered to you for FREE, not for "thousands of dollars".

I've listened to it. There's not a single "hidden secret" in it. Not one.

And while you may be offering it to people to listen to for FREE, you do have a financial stake in getting them to listen and possibly join the GIN. If they sign up, you get 20% of their $1500 initiation fee. Each person you can convince that Trudeau really has the secret to wealth-creation, and that the GIN is so great? They're potentially worth $300 to you. So yes, I can see why you're so eager to share this FREE resource with them.

And if you really need to make a measly $300 so badly that you'll come over here and shill for Trudeau? That suggests to me that his wealth-building secrets aren't working so well for you.

(2) Kevin Trudeau doesn't claim to be the only one who knows this secret.

No, but he's the one claiming that he's the only one who can provide you access to those "secrets"--for a hefty price.

KT also doesn't claim he came up with any of these secrets. They were taught to him.

Taught to him by "The Brotherhood," right? Do you honestly believe that rubbish? I laughed out loud, listening to him spin that nonsense fable about himself.

(3) There are BILLIONS of dollars every year spent by people attending seminars and workshops and buying all types of courses where people share highly specialized information / knowledge on specific topics to people who are looking for that kind of information.

Steve Pavlina charges what $400-$500 for a workshop? Esther / Abraham charge $$$ for their workshops. Tony Robbins charges for his workshops. Deepak Chopra charges for his. Eckhart Tolle charges for his.

Yes, they do. And I don't have a problem with people making money by packaging information and selling it to those who want it. Whether it's personal development or cookbooks or how to fix my bike, making money by selling information in a usable form is not, in itself, the problem.

But Steve Pavlina has never claimed that he's the only one who can sell me the information I'm seeking because it's all a long-suppressed secret that the elites don't want me to know. I've never seen him write that other teachers are rubbish, and don't really know what they're talking about because they don't live a certain kind of extravagant lifestyle. But I can't say the same for Kevin Trudeau.

Trudeau poses as the one and only guy who can solve your problems and make you wealthy. Oh, sure, other millionaires may know the secret he's got--but he's the only one who can sell it to you, so if you want it you have to get it from him, at whatever price he's charging. And he charges a lot. And if that excruciatingly dull and repetitive 14-CD set is any indication, there is no secret--just some LoA stuff wrapped up in self-aggrandizing BS.

I really don't understand why anyone in the world would still be under the illusion that such information is ever taught for free.

You might really want to stop and think about that statement, and the limiting belief behind it. Such as: "The most useful and valuable information never comes for free." Well, dude, I guess not--not for you, anyway.

I'm under that illusion because I know firsthand that it is available for free, and that what I need to know will come to me as I need to know it. It comes in a variety of ways--online, in books, from people I meet in real life, as a voice in my head, etc.

That's because I-M doesn't just work for money, cars, and blue feathers. Have you ever considered that you can manifest information as well?

And if you can't manifest information, freely given, then how do you expect to manifest a fortune?

I would be willing to bet that attending a Steve Pavlina seminar for $400 is worth every penny, even if you've already read all the Free info Steve publishes.

For people who want that kind of experience, I imagine it is. But until Steve starts claiming that you can't receive access to the secret information that is the true key to success unless you attend the seminars, and positions himself as the one and only I-M teacher who has it right, comparing him to Trudeau doesn't hold water.

Where exactly did anyone get the idea that Kevin Trudeau ever said that he is the ONLY only one who knows this information?

If anyone said that, it wasn't me. But Trudeau claims he's the only one selling it--that if you want to know the same secret Ford, Gates, Hill, Carnegie, and Trump used to gain great wealth, you have to get it from Trudeau. And that's nonsense.

All that KT teaches with the "Who do you listen to?" lesson is to listen to people who already HAVE what it is that you desire.

Personally, I don't desire having a felony fraud conviction on my record, so I guess it's just as well that I'm not listening to Kevin Trudeau.

As for what I do desire, it's freedom to control how my time is spent and where I put my energies. It's a house all my own in a city and neighborhood of my choosing, and the time and space to make art and read books and travel to look at art exhibits and pretty much do as I damned well please with my days. I also like doing volunteer work, and giving money to certain charities. And guess what? I've got all that. I made it happen. I intended it, and I manifested it. Sure, I might want a nicer house in a quieter part of my current neighborhood in a few years, and more opportunities to travel, but I fully expect I'll get that when the time comes.

I already know multi-millionaires who have multiple homes, exotic cars, private planes, and small armies of staff to take care of all of it. And while that stuff can be fun to experience every now and again (especially private planes), I honestly don't want any of it (not even a private plane!). So Kevin Trudeau's marker for what constitutes "success" strikes me as meaningless. He wouldn't see me as a "success," but that's his failure, not mine.

So for example, if I wanted to learn lessons of wisdom on how to run a successful day-time talk-show, I would consider wisdom from someone like "Oprah" more useful than from Michael Jordan, who has never hosted a day-time talk show.

And if I wanted to learn about how to get busted for fraud--or how to weasel my way out of future fraud charges by selling recycled information rather than bogus products--I should talk to Kevin Trudeau instead of, say, Steve Pavlina? Right, then!

I mean isn't that just common sense?

Not buying into an elaborate marketing scheme by someone who is a known liar and fraud is common sense, too.

Don't take wealth-building advice from people whose net worth is -$80,000.

Oh, good! That means you can take wealth-building advice from me, because my net worth is quite a lot more than $80,000.

And frankly, my wealth-building advice (and I can safely say folks like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Jeff Bezos, et. al. would agree) comes down pretty hard against throwing money at anyone who tells you that they will let you in on the "secrets" of wealth-building for a price, or that selling their overpriced, overhyped product as part of an MLM scheme is the road to riches. Unless, of course, your goal in life is to also have a negative net worth.