Originally Posted by Lioness
You're comfortable hearing what some guy is doing in the stall next to you, or for him to hear you? I think you're in the minority. And what about urinals where things are exposed? I don't think guys are comfortable with this either. I'd love to see a poll on it. The was some event where the line for the Ladies Room was ridiculously long, so women started going into the Men's Room. The men came running out, all embarrassed.
I suppose we could get used to it if we had to. But why should we?
I recently read the blog entry of girl who wondered how she would be able to defecate at her boyfriend's place without her boyfriend's dormitory mates knowing that it was her. Most posters told her that if her boyfriend's roommates didn't know that girls defecate, too, then it's time for them to find out and get over it.
I've also heard that exposed urinals are uncomfortable whether there are women present or not. So why, in this case, is the right to privacy extended only to women? Privacy should be extended to all individuals equally.
It would be better if everybody were comfortable, and there are different ways of getting there. To my mind, your way targets the symptom of discomfort, and fosters misogyny: cover up women's nipples even though everybody has them, because (inferring the way things should be
from the way they are
) it's right for women to feel ashamed and for men to be ashamed of them. Next generation, we cover up our ankles again. Generation after that, burqas.
There's another way that targets the cause of all that discomfort, and naturally plateaus at common humanity: everybody has nipples*, get over it.
*barring physical variations at birth, specific chest injuries, or mastectomies, but this is referring more to nipples as inappropriate to show if the rest of the body is female, but completely appropriate if the rest of the body is male.
Originally Posted by Cado
The ideal is to eliminate the gender divide as an assumption.
Exactly! You know what they say happens when we assume.