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Old 12-17-2011, 03:33 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by ZephyrusX View Post
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I like this explanation.

To add to it, I am an atheist, but I'd like to point out that much of what we experience in life as human beings transcends the material world irrespective of whether you believe in a divine God or other planes of reality. I can show up to my cousin's wedding (the material reality), but that material state does not inform me what state of being I will observe (anger, spite, joy, love) or how I will relate to my enviornment (detached, connected). These are issues of spirituality, for me.

I don't think it is possible for someone to live an anti-spiritual life. Anger is a state of being as well, and if you want to strictly define spirituality as the pursuit of 'higher' states of being, I don't think you can neatly separate human qualitites and emotions as if they are mutually exclusive. They are not. My experiences with anger, powerlessness and despair, for example, enables me to be more forgiving and empathetic.

Creating a divide between the spiritual and anti-spiritual just seems like another false dichotomy that people set up for their own self-interest (i.e pride, arrogance). For me, spirituality is an essential aspect of being human, so to say that some people are not spiritual seems dehumanizing to me.

The only way I can see justifying calling some people anti-spiritual is if you strictly define spirituality to matters relating beyond this state of reality, but then, that would seem rather disingenous because much of what people are concerned about when speaking about spirituality actually pertains to states of being (or consciousness) and the meaning of existence.





Ha! Now that I got that off my chest, I'll stop derailing your thread.
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This reminds me of a Zen saying someone on here wrote: ''When you see the Buddha, kill him.''

Right now I interpret it as saying something like ''Avoid deifying your fellow humans''. I love the Buddhist philosophy, it moves, inspires and motivates me to do good. I think all beliefs need to be investigated thoroughly. One needs to discard those who are founded illogically and keep the logical ones. I think the idea is to keep compassion and reason at the forefront of our intellectual considerations. There's lots of metaphors and superstitions in some versions of the Buddha story. It's best to investigate what's what and build on that.

Although I haven't read the book, I think the Dalai Lama agrees.
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