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Old 12-16-2011, 05:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Frisky View Post
Evolution seems like a very good theory to some creationists also (including myself).

But some higher power had to construct the design of it all. Starting from an amoeba all the way up to humans. Put it this way, every software program had to have a designer. Why should evolution be any different??!
Well, I don't really want to get involved in a teleological debate, because we all know how they go.

But in short, I simply don't believe that 'some higher power had to construct the design'. For one thing, it rests on the premise that the world is 'designed' simply because it is complex and ordered. Although the universe seems ordered and sensible to us (because we can describe certain natural laws) in some ways, in other ways, it is completely chaotic. It's impossible to know what an 'undesigned' universe would look like, and whether it would make any more or less sense to us, so the point is effectively moot.

If abiogenesis is a sticking point rather than evolution, then the question to me becomes: 'If everything must have a designer, who designed God?' At some point I have to accept the existence of something in an infinite or eternal sense, and I choose to stop before the step of God, because there doesn't appear to be any evidence to go that extra step to me. Adding God in as an explanation doesn't help explain anything further, in fact, it introduces a completely random and capricious element to the whole system. It just doesn't make any sense to me - which might be hard for you to understand given that obviously it does make sense to you.

But that's the thing with beliefs. You believe what you believe, not what you want to believe or think you should believe. I'm not an atheist because I'm mad at God or want to deny the existence of a creator because I lack morals and don't want to have to explain my actions or because I want to feel superior to others or because I don't want to believe in God, I'm an atheist just because on the evidence I see, it's what makes sense to me. I don't believe in spirits or astral planes or angels or star signs or fairies because they just don't make sense to me either.

That's why I don't really want to debate the rightness or wrongness of what you or I believe (I've been down that road too many times ). I accept that you believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe, and unless one of us starts trying to impose their beliefs on the other, then all is well.
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