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Originally Posted by Brutha  Their are PUA's who can seduce a woman who thinks that having sex on the first date is immoral to have sex with them.
While we would call it seduction instead of hynosis, the PUA trys to have the woman focus on them completly. |
Well Brutha, my take on that is that how would you know it was completely against the woman's absolute boundaries? It might have been a line she was willing to cross at some point or another.
I'll pin it down to artful persuasion, rather than someone exerting his will to force someone to do something as you seem to imply.
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Originally Posted by Brutha And you can do things after an handshake induction with a complete strager like letting him hallucinate that some jacket someone less owns is his own jacket.
Afterwards it isn't that difficult to get him to steal it, because he things it is his own, so he doesn't know that he breakes his "moral boundries".
Sure those things won't be succesful 100% of the time, but they will be succesful often enough. |
Have you done a handshake interrupt yourself and tested that out, Brutha?
I think this is where it gets a little murky. Yes, I agree, people's boundaries can possibly be manipulated that way. Could someone by hypnotized to believe that a jacket someone else owns is his, and thus by taking it back it'd be doing the right thing?
Possibly...
Could he also realize that he's being hypnotized to do a wrong thing from the get-go? Absolutely.
Could that same person be hypnotized to commit murder? I don't think so.
Could he hypnotize himself to commit murder, to focus on one outcome and hypnotize himself to not see any other outcomes? Happens.
This is a pretty deep subject, which is why I love it
I think a factor has to do with degrees of consciousness, how aware the person who's being hypnotized is.
And I'm going to go with Ilya's point, I'm not going to defend hypnosis...because I'd be hypnotized to do so!
My points for this post are:
1) Hypnosis can be defined as the exclusive focus of attention on one thing to the exception of all others.
2) It can also be defined as an exclusive communication with the unconscious mind (sorry I didn't mention this earlier).
3) People cannot be hypnotized against their will to break their own ethical boundaries...
however they might be hypnotized in other ways to redefine their flexible boundaries (to limits, I still believe).
4) People are smart enough to refuse to be hypnotized/manipulated.
5) People are also dumb enough to let themselves or hypnotize themselves all the time...like not seeing their car keys right in front of them!
6) Hypnosis is still not a magical skill where you gain mystical powers to control people's minds...but it is a useful skill for anyone who wants to increase their level of awareness to pick up.
Interesting discussion.