Thank you my friend for coming back on this....
Originally Posted by Rajones
hmm i am in a very similar situation, except i seem to be doing the opposite, as in fully embracing the subjective viewpoint. i feel this is a bolder and riskier way of going about things, but i find that the rewards are worth it. rewards like finding that switchover a bit faster.
to explain my post better:
The stronger I believe my reality to totally subjective, the more meaningful it becomes.
Ah yes indeed, it seems more meaningful in that we seem to be in closer harmony with it, especially if all that promotes a warm fuzziness, akin to how we felt as young children upon first waking Christmas Day - sweet anticipation, effervescent glee, abounding squeals of delight.
However we are no longer 8 years old, and the work (actually delusion) in generating joy in the face of a harsh reality of surviving our existence daily under the debt, expectations and derision of society becomes an increasingly burdensome and unrewarding task. So what is one to do?
It's like an alcoholic who became so in the expectation the bottle contents would indefinitely continue it's (seeming) success in it's original task towards emotional escape. Yet with every (subjective) bing comes sobriety, withdrawal and alas - REALITY (objective)! So time for another counter attack of subjectivity; another bing and the cycle continues in ever decreasing circles, until ***** (please fill in as you will)
This, then becomes a progressively asphyxiating (subjective)
approach to dealing with the emotional pain, and in the end - no-one wins apart from the liquor outlet owner. Another bloke will man-up, will refuse to shut-out his loved ones, will face the inherent turmoil head on, will seek and develop intrinsic courage, will be regarded a pillar of society for his resolve, will hold his head higher while walking down the street, will be a whole lot more objective
towards his similar pain.
Have a guess which of the above, I would select for my epitaph?
Originally Posted by Rajones
I listen to a song, believing reality objective.
I hear: some person, singing about something.
I feel: typical music euphoria.
But listening, believing reality subjective:
I hear: God, singing revelations to me.
I feel: strong euphoria, sense of peace.
to me, this can only mean 1 thing.
Ah, I see.
The issue with the above I have, is the following;
Reality itself cannot ever be subjective. Reality is always objective - for such is it's inherent nature, even if subjectivity generated it.
It is our perception that relates to the (objective) reality, as either objective or subjective. Yet indeed we constantly have both perceptions about all reality upon which we focus for any time. The point here, is that we strongly favour our subjective perception over the objective, whilst thoroughly believing it to be entirely objective.
Quite a dilemma happening there, and some serious cognitive dissonance to boot.
It's like I'm driving along the road enjoying some tranquil tunes and suddenly some 'jerk' suddenly 'cuts me off' so sharply I need hold my breath whilst swerving and braking heavily in order to avoid hitting his and other cars.
It happens all the time, so I ask - is the above sentence objective or subjective? Well it is both, but predominantly objective, however it just happens to be the two subjective pieces I've placed in 'inverted commas', that the reader will most relate to, even though he doesn't ordinarily recognise this. So he will go away and remember something about; a 'jerk
' 'cutting off
' someone, because the subjective aspect is what resonates with the heavily dominant subjectivity in our perception, and so we habitually gloss over the objectivity, for it 'feels' unnecessary or boring or some such evaluation negative.