Originally Posted by Luciddd
At the end of the day in subjective reality if you could see things are they "really are" the only thing you would see in the entire universe more or less like this:
Countless formless waves or formless light that is traduced as a physical enviroment.
Why then we perceive reality the way we do?
Originally Posted by Apopohis Reject
Well Luciddd, again I thank you greatly for your time and patience in this. However here is my biggest issue right now.... If my mentality is constantly creating my Maserati where there is blue light waves, I can accept that I might be able to get into the illusion of my making and drive across town, but how does this explain my child who was asleep when I picked him up and carried him out and into his seat, also being transported by my light-wave illusion? If you respond that he is also an illusion of my subconscious, you can come over and change his stinky dirty nappies.
Luciddd can correct me if I am wrong, but the image he has uploaded appears to be that of an "interference pattern" in the photographic emulsion of a laser hologram.
If it is indeed an interference pattern in a laser hologram, then shining a laser into the pattern (a laser of the same frequency that created the hologram) will explicate a 3-dimensional optical replication of whatever object(s) is encoded in the pattern.
See illustration below:
What humans deem as being "reality"
is represented by the explicated key, die, and paperclip (something recognizable and tangible to the five senses of consciousness).
The point is that it is the conjoined relationship
between the laser and the correlated patterns of information in the emulsion that produces the 3-dimensional reality of the "separate appearing" objects suspended between the two.
Now, imagine that the interference pattern in the photographic emulsion represents the subatomic or quantum underpinning of all the objects in the universe (including your body).
Next, imagine that the laser represents our "consciousness" shining into the interference pattern.
From that we can conclude, that just like in the laser hologram, it is the conjoined relationship
between our consciousness and the correlated patterns of energy and information in the quantum that subsequently "creates" (more at "reveals") what we call "3-D reality."
Where confusion arises in the "subjective/objective" debate is in thinking that we humans are anything other than that subsequent laser
on the right hand side of the illustration, shining into the already established patterns of information
that were already in place before any of us arrived on the scene.
In others words the "laser" of our consciousness merely explicates reality into its 3-D formations from a "field" of pre-existing and "evolving information" (Luciddd's interference pattern).
I am talking about patterns of information forming the conditions that had to be in place "prior"
to our arrival within the field, in order to pre-create
our bodies that literally "house our laser"; a body that then introduces it (our consciousness "laser") into the field of information (the universe).
The ultimate point is, that none of us literally "create" the reality of this universe – not our cars, not our houses, not our bodies, etc., etc., in the same sense that the laser on the right hand side of the illustration does not create the key, the die, or the paperclip who's explicate reality was already implicit in the patterns of formation.
(Look into physicist David Bohm's theories on the "implicate/explicate order" of the quantum.)
A crucial element that I want to bring to light in this post is to have everyone get a clear visualization of there being a distinct difference
between that of consciousness (the "laser") and that of matter (the informational essence of "reality" represented by the "interference pattern"). (One final note: if you turn your "laser of consciousness" inward, then the same process of explicating "reality" from a "field of information" occurs in the same manner as above, revealing your thoughts and dreams.)