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Originally Posted by James81  This is also a cop out (not sure if that's the word of the day  ). The reason that THAT is a cop out is because you cannot make an accurate assessment of that based on my position on this one issue. I think you fail to realize that the people who are pro-life are coming at it from a completely different perspective than the pro-choice peeps. |
We should switch to some other word. This one is losing its meaning already
You're right that I can't make sweeping generalizations based on this one conversation. I'm remembering older threads to make that assessment. But that's neither here nor there. So I'll just stick to saying you're being insensitive to women's suffering here, now. In this thread.
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Originally Posted by James81 That is, a pro-life perspective is very baby-centered. That is, a pro-life person is usually making arguments while thinking of the potential baby.
On the other hand, the pro-choice perspective is very woman-centered. That is, a pro-choice person is usually making arguments while thinking in terms of the woman's rights. |
I try to see it from all angles.
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Originally Posted by James81 My point being that because I take a pro-baby mindset in this discussion, does not mean that I am anti-woman. I think it would do for a LOT of people who are pro-choice to understand that. In the same way that pro-choice are not baby murderers, pro-life people are not anti-woman. |
Very true. And I'm not saying that you're anti-woman either. Just that you seem to lack any kind of empathy for them. Of course I'm just going by your line of arguing here in this thread.
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Originally Posted by James81 In other words, it's a GIANT stretch for you to take what I said about the legality of abortion and make it about me being insensitive to women's suffering. Because the argument has nothing to do with women's suffering. A woman getting an abortion when it's illegal is not a woman's suffering issue. That's a CHOICE that she makes. If that choice brings suffering, then, again, she chose that. It wasn't forced upon her to go have an illegal abortion. That was the point I was making. Don't just automatically negate the element of choice in that situation. A woman does not HAVE to stick a coat hanger up her vagina. She chooses to do that. And in choosing to do that, she assumes the risk that is involved with it.
So, you might say I'm Pro-Taking-Responsibility-For-Your-Choices.  |
See when you say the issue has nothing to do with women's sufferings I can't help but think you're not taking everything into account in your assessments. And I didn't mean to negate the woman's choice. I'm sorry if it sounds like I did. My point is that some women will choose to have abortions whether they are legal or not. Why not offer them the choice to do it safely as opposed to limiting their choices to self-inflicted wounds, getting shady unqualified ''doctors'' to do it for them, or having a baby that they don't feel they can support?
You have to realize that in a lot of these places where abortion is criminalized, religious dogma plays a much more important role. And most women who want abortions in these countries are either poor, relatively uneducated, or both. These are real people. Real suffering. We don't know if there's suffering involved for the foetus and to what extent.
As I've mentioned already I haven't read the entire thread. Would you mind summarizing why you're pro-life? To understand where you're coming from?