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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9817</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen folks...This is my very first time on this blogg and i was highly disappointed to see you guys bashing each other about &quot;substance&#039;....and other blah blah blahs.... Forget about all those talks....Steve pick up your courage and quit telling everyone about becoming a PRO....just become a pro.....JUST DO IT! Always remeber, too many cooks spoil the broth....You never can know who would give you the most poisoning advice...Just become a PRO Speaker...and then later you can write a book about how you did....many people will still buy it... NOBODY STARTS OUT WITH THE SYSTINE CHAPPEL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen folks&#8230;This is my very first time on this blogg and i was highly disappointed to see you guys bashing each other about &#8220;substance&#8217;&#8230;.and other blah blah blahs&#8230;. Forget about all those talks&#8230;.Steve pick up your courage and quit telling everyone about becoming a PRO&#8230;.just become a pro&#8230;..JUST DO IT! Always remeber, too many cooks spoil the broth&#8230;.You never can know who would give you the most poisoning advice&#8230;Just become a PRO Speaker&#8230;and then later you can write a book about how you did&#8230;.many people will still buy it&#8230; NOBODY STARTS OUT WITH THE SYSTINE CHAPPEL</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Just wanted to let you know that I made my first million last month. Just wanted to dedicate that success to you. I learnt a lot from you. Some of the key lessons are:
1. Waking up early regularly
2. Understanding the concept of success in the dimensions of finances,career, family, social, spirituality and community. I am giving back to the community my time, effort and financial help and it has really provided the warm feeling of mental peace.
3. Just like you have people like Wonga Tonga, who do not value your contribution, I have also seen some people who dont seem to understand the concept that success and growth is largely how you define it. But, my friend, don&#039;t let the Wongas of the world deter you from your path of making a difference. You have made a big difference in the lives of many people through your positive messages. Dont steal their inspiration by replying to the questions of people like Wonga. 
Remember that no matter how good you are, how much of a difference you make, there will always be some people who&#039;d not agree with you. Mahatma Gandhi was shot dead and Socrates was poisoned. Every one is entitled to their opinions. By trying to win people, who obviously dont agree with you, you waste your enormous time and energy, which could have been effectively utilized creating hope for the enormous volumes of readers of your blogs.

Yours truly,

A work in progress</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Just wanted to let you know that I made my first million last month. Just wanted to dedicate that success to you. I learnt a lot from you. Some of the key lessons are:<br />
1. Waking up early regularly<br />
2. Understanding the concept of success in the dimensions of finances,career, family, social, spirituality and community. I am giving back to the community my time, effort and financial help and it has really provided the warm feeling of mental peace.<br />
3. Just like you have people like Wonga Tonga, who do not value your contribution, I have also seen some people who dont seem to understand the concept that success and growth is largely how you define it. But, my friend, don&#8217;t let the Wongas of the world deter you from your path of making a difference. You have made a big difference in the lives of many people through your positive messages. Dont steal their inspiration by replying to the questions of people like Wonga.<br />
Remember that no matter how good you are, how much of a difference you make, there will always be some people who&#8217;d not agree with you. Mahatma Gandhi was shot dead and Socrates was poisoned. Every one is entitled to their opinions. By trying to win people, who obviously dont agree with you, you waste your enormous time and energy, which could have been effectively utilized creating hope for the enormous volumes of readers of your blogs.</p>
<p>Yours truly,</p>
<p>A work in progress</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9812</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If every personal growth/development coach had to achieve the level of Mandela or Gandhi before he was qualified to start working there wouldn&#039;t be many of them around.  There must be thousands of club tennis coaches around the world who would not win a single point against Roger Federer. Should they be barred from coaching? Not at all. They are succeeding in enabling many people to enjoy the game of tennis.

It is a major benefit of the free-market system that anybody can set himself up to do just about anything within the law.  The market then votes with its business who succeeds and who fails.  Some will have more success than others, but there is room for many more than just the very best in each field.  And even though the very best may be great now, they were once beginners who had the courage to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If every personal growth/development coach had to achieve the level of Mandela or Gandhi before he was qualified to start working there wouldn&#8217;t be many of them around.  There must be thousands of club tennis coaches around the world who would not win a single point against Roger Federer. Should they be barred from coaching? Not at all. They are succeeding in enabling many people to enjoy the game of tennis.</p>
<p>It is a major benefit of the free-market system that anybody can set himself up to do just about anything within the law.  The market then votes with its business who succeeds and who fails.  Some will have more success than others, but there is room for many more than just the very best in each field.  And even though the very best may be great now, they were once beginners who had the courage to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9803</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wonga:  Interesting mindset...  not the one I happen to hold, but interesting nonetheless.  Let&#039;s see what happens over the next decade or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wonga:  Interesting mindset&#8230;  not the one I happen to hold, but interesting nonetheless.  Let&#8217;s see what happens over the next decade or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonga Tonga</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9802</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonga Tonga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure you receive tons of feedback, mostly positive, people thanking you.  It&#039;s important that you do.  But let&#039;s look at your personal growth work from this prospective.  Are you able to write a book on game marketing that would be &quot;good&quot; in a sense that people would tell you it&#039;s good? Yes, absolutely (you were going to do that).  Do you know why that would happen?  Because there is hunger for this information and you&#039;d satisfy it.  In fact, a while ago at Indiegamer there was a discussion about that.  Almost overwhelmingly people said that your game marketing were very good and very helpful.  But in all other discussion on your personality the main idea was that Steve Pavlina is better at promoting himself rather than games (that was a remark from Reflexive).  And I think you&#039;d agree that if a game developer would give the game to one of the portals to market, what would all do at least 10X better that you at Dexterity.Com.  In fact at least some of the developers who gave games to you said that results were mediocre at best.
That&#039;s exactly what I am trying to say - this seems to be a theme of your life, at least lately.  You are able to write interesting articles for which people will thank you and say that it was very helpful.  But when you do something, the results are mediocre.  I think that if you were to do one on one personal coaching, you&#039;d see what you are actually worth as a personal growth professional.  You see, if there are 400000 people reading your blog, chances are they&#039;ll change their lives in one way or another, and they&#039;ll tend to think that these changes are due to your blogs, whereas in reality it could be any blog or just a remark from a friend.  In fact, I can probably find some popular new age or guru-type site filled with crap that has more positive feedback than you. This is not to discourage you, but to say, Steve, get out of your head.  If I am indeed correct in my assesment, pretty soon you&#039;ll feel that you are trying to cheat yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure you receive tons of feedback, mostly positive, people thanking you.  It&#8217;s important that you do.  But let&#8217;s look at your personal growth work from this prospective.  Are you able to write a book on game marketing that would be &#8220;good&#8221; in a sense that people would tell you it&#8217;s good? Yes, absolutely (you were going to do that).  Do you know why that would happen?  Because there is hunger for this information and you&#8217;d satisfy it.  In fact, a while ago at Indiegamer there was a discussion about that.  Almost overwhelmingly people said that your game marketing were very good and very helpful.  But in all other discussion on your personality the main idea was that Steve Pavlina is better at promoting himself rather than games (that was a remark from Reflexive).  And I think you&#8217;d agree that if a game developer would give the game to one of the portals to market, what would all do at least 10X better that you at Dexterity.Com.  In fact at least some of the developers who gave games to you said that results were mediocre at best.<br />
That&#8217;s exactly what I am trying to say &#8211; this seems to be a theme of your life, at least lately.  You are able to write interesting articles for which people will thank you and say that it was very helpful.  But when you do something, the results are mediocre.  I think that if you were to do one on one personal coaching, you&#8217;d see what you are actually worth as a personal growth professional.  You see, if there are 400000 people reading your blog, chances are they&#8217;ll change their lives in one way or another, and they&#8217;ll tend to think that these changes are due to your blogs, whereas in reality it could be any blog or just a remark from a friend.  In fact, I can probably find some popular new age or guru-type site filled with crap that has more positive feedback than you. This is not to discourage you, but to say, Steve, get out of your head.  If I am indeed correct in my assesment, pretty soon you&#8217;ll feel that you are trying to cheat yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9801</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tana:  Very well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Tana</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9800</link>
		<dc:creator>Tana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Tom Hopkins, I think in sales, what matters is where your heart is. You can use those techniques with your heart in the wrong place, and people will see right through you. But if your heart is in the right place, it&#039;s like baking a cake and using a good recipe or using your best recipe - which would you rather eat? A sales person who has their heart in the right place is even better when they use techniques that make people more comfortable with the transaction. Why would you intentionally make something more difficult for someone by using words that have bad connotations - contract vs paperwork? Paperwork is much easier to do than signing a contract - your job as a salesperson is to make the customer feel comfortable with the transaction, so you&#039;re doing your job. If a salesperson started using more confrontational verbage (contract) with me, I would be less comfortable with the sale. If you&#039;re selling something to someone that they don&#039;t need, it doesn&#039;t matter what language you use, you&#039;re a crook. If you&#039;re solving a problem, a legitimate problem with a good solution, you&#039;re doing someone a favor and you don&#039;t want to distract them by using language that makes the process more difficult. 

Bottom line, it&#039;s where your heart is. People are more important than things or money. As long as you have that figured out, using good sales techniques can only help you. It&#039;s like using the right recipe for your cake - you may make a cake, but if you make a really good cake, you&#039;re much better off than you are if you just make a cake to get by. Excellence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Tom Hopkins, I think in sales, what matters is where your heart is. You can use those techniques with your heart in the wrong place, and people will see right through you. But if your heart is in the right place, it&#8217;s like baking a cake and using a good recipe or using your best recipe &#8211; which would you rather eat? A sales person who has their heart in the right place is even better when they use techniques that make people more comfortable with the transaction. Why would you intentionally make something more difficult for someone by using words that have bad connotations &#8211; contract vs paperwork? Paperwork is much easier to do than signing a contract &#8211; your job as a salesperson is to make the customer feel comfortable with the transaction, so you&#8217;re doing your job. If a salesperson started using more confrontational verbage (contract) with me, I would be less comfortable with the sale. If you&#8217;re selling something to someone that they don&#8217;t need, it doesn&#8217;t matter what language you use, you&#8217;re a crook. If you&#8217;re solving a problem, a legitimate problem with a good solution, you&#8217;re doing someone a favor and you don&#8217;t want to distract them by using language that makes the process more difficult. </p>
<p>Bottom line, it&#8217;s where your heart is. People are more important than things or money. As long as you have that figured out, using good sales techniques can only help you. It&#8217;s like using the right recipe for your cake &#8211; you may make a cake, but if you make a really good cake, you&#8217;re much better off than you are if you just make a cake to get by. Excellence.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9799</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wonga:  I believe I understand the kinds of results you&#039;re looking for.  At this point in my life, you wouldn&#039;t be able to see those results too well via the internet.  There are books and movies about Mandela, Gandhi, and Mother Teresa which make it easier to see the results they achieved.  They also worked on their visions much longer than a year.

I believe that helping people find purpose in life and to live more consciously is a worthy end in itself.  The physical manifestation is that readers of this site have quit unfulfilling jobs, transformed relationships, and started deciding and choosing their dreams more consciously (such as by starting their own businesses).  It&#039;s fair to say that there are dozens of new businesses that exist today at least indirectly because of the work done here.  This is assuming people were truthful in reporting these changes to me via email.  I&#039;ve also received emails about people changing their lives for the better in other ways -- starting new relationships, reaching new educational goals, etc.  Many of these emails are very long, sharing with me the details of how the person&#039;s transformation took place.  I always enjoy reading them because it helps me see how certain ideas impact people.

These may not be worthy results in your opinion, and that&#039;s fine if you don&#039;t value them much.  To me they are worthwhile.  A change like a new business being formed is the material manifestation of a person&#039;s own growth in consciousness.  I help foster the growth in consciousness -- they start the business.

Helping people grow in consciousness is to me the most worthwhile end I could pursue.  Even while I was running Dexterity, I could see the rippling effect of how raising people&#039;s awareness in some areas would lead them to manifest concrete changes in their lives.  I realized that if I could help thousands more people identify their purpose in live and live more consciously, that would have a greater long-term effect on the world than anything I did purely for myself.

I sometimes think of my work as planting seeds.  Those seeds are thoughts and ideas.  When they go out into the world, they have a rippling effect.  I saw this happen with my Dexterity articles, and I see it happening today.  Almost every day I receive emails from people telling me about those ripples.  &quot;I quit my job to start my own business.&quot;  &quot;I asked my girlfriend to marry me.&quot;  &quot;I decided that what I really want to do with my life is to be a writer, and I&#039;m going back to school.&quot;  &quot;I started a new exercise program and have kept it up for 30 days and have a lot more energy now.&quot;  &quot;I left an abusive relationship.&quot;  &quot;I nearly doubled my productivity at work and soon received a promotion.&quot;

Did not Mandela, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and Mother Teresa all serve to raise people&#039;s awareness, to make us more conscious, to plant seeds within us?  I would say that this was the greatest effect of their work, which endures even after death.  I&#039;ve read their stories too, and their thoughts and ideas are now seeds in my own consciousness.

I&#039;m excited to think of all the long-term ripples that will manifest in the coming years.  It fills me with joy to imagine how the world might be transformed with thousands more purpose-driven highly conscious beings living in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wonga:  I believe I understand the kinds of results you&#8217;re looking for.  At this point in my life, you wouldn&#8217;t be able to see those results too well via the internet.  There are books and movies about Mandela, Gandhi, and Mother Teresa which make it easier to see the results they achieved.  They also worked on their visions much longer than a year.</p>
<p>I believe that helping people find purpose in life and to live more consciously is a worthy end in itself.  The physical manifestation is that readers of this site have quit unfulfilling jobs, transformed relationships, and started deciding and choosing their dreams more consciously (such as by starting their own businesses).  It&#8217;s fair to say that there are dozens of new businesses that exist today at least indirectly because of the work done here.  This is assuming people were truthful in reporting these changes to me via email.  I&#8217;ve also received emails about people changing their lives for the better in other ways &#8212; starting new relationships, reaching new educational goals, etc.  Many of these emails are very long, sharing with me the details of how the person&#8217;s transformation took place.  I always enjoy reading them because it helps me see how certain ideas impact people.</p>
<p>These may not be worthy results in your opinion, and that&#8217;s fine if you don&#8217;t value them much.  To me they are worthwhile.  A change like a new business being formed is the material manifestation of a person&#8217;s own growth in consciousness.  I help foster the growth in consciousness &#8212; they start the business.</p>
<p>Helping people grow in consciousness is to me the most worthwhile end I could pursue.  Even while I was running Dexterity, I could see the rippling effect of how raising people&#8217;s awareness in some areas would lead them to manifest concrete changes in their lives.  I realized that if I could help thousands more people identify their purpose in live and live more consciously, that would have a greater long-term effect on the world than anything I did purely for myself.</p>
<p>I sometimes think of my work as planting seeds.  Those seeds are thoughts and ideas.  When they go out into the world, they have a rippling effect.  I saw this happen with my Dexterity articles, and I see it happening today.  Almost every day I receive emails from people telling me about those ripples.  &#8220;I quit my job to start my own business.&#8221;  &#8220;I asked my girlfriend to marry me.&#8221;  &#8220;I decided that what I really want to do with my life is to be a writer, and I&#8217;m going back to school.&#8221;  &#8220;I started a new exercise program and have kept it up for 30 days and have a lot more energy now.&#8221;  &#8220;I left an abusive relationship.&#8221;  &#8220;I nearly doubled my productivity at work and soon received a promotion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did not Mandela, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and Mother Teresa all serve to raise people&#8217;s awareness, to make us more conscious, to plant seeds within us?  I would say that this was the greatest effect of their work, which endures even after death.  I&#8217;ve read their stories too, and their thoughts and ideas are now seeds in my own consciousness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m excited to think of all the long-term ripples that will manifest in the coming years.  It fills me with joy to imagine how the world might be transformed with thousands more purpose-driven highly conscious beings living in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonga Tonga</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9796</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonga Tonga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Steve, I understand what you mean, but where you are wrong is your believe that  stoping karate and starting sweeming is a kind of change that constitutes personal growth.   It&#039;s not. Your new attitudes on money is not a sign of growth, it&#039;s a change.  If money was to become important to you again, it would not mean that you regressed.  The fact that you don&#039;t eat meat and now a vegeterian is not personal growth, it&#039;s a new view on diet, well being, etc.  If you view it this way (that being vegeterian is the result of concious living) you are kidding yourself.
As far as achievements go - you take any person with personal growth and they are obvious.  Let&#039;s take Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King. Ask any of your friends - what did these guys do and (provided they know who these guys are) you&#039;ll get the same answers.  That&#039;s what I mean.  There is no ambiguity.  Were Gandi or Mother Teresa people who&#039;ve grown substantially? Yes. What is the RESULT of that.  Any college student will tell you about Gandi, passive resistance, civil rights.  Same with mother Teresa.
Did Steve Pavlina made a quantum leap in his personal growth? We&#039;ll, I don&#039;t know, you decide.  What is the RESULT of that - lets take a look.  You do help people or do you write that your goal is helping people and the fact you have such a goal makes you feel so good and comfie inside that you think of yourself as a product of  personal growth.
Where does this personal growth come from, Steve?  Your head? Books you read?
You can get good body by thinking in your head that you are pumping iron nor by reading &quot;Great Abs in 6 days&quot;.  You have to pump the iron.  Same with personal growth.  What have you DONE within past .... months to grow personally?
It&#039;s easy to see where growth is real and where it&#039;s fake.
Did you grow over time as a game developer - yes and that&#039;s easy to see to anyone who tracks Dexterity.  Do you grow as a writer - yes, one can see that too.  More articles, new twists, more visitors, etc.
Are you growing personally or playing head games with yourself?  Let&#039;s look at results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Steve, I understand what you mean, but where you are wrong is your believe that  stoping karate and starting sweeming is a kind of change that constitutes personal growth.   It&#8217;s not. Your new attitudes on money is not a sign of growth, it&#8217;s a change.  If money was to become important to you again, it would not mean that you regressed.  The fact that you don&#8217;t eat meat and now a vegeterian is not personal growth, it&#8217;s a new view on diet, well being, etc.  If you view it this way (that being vegeterian is the result of concious living) you are kidding yourself.<br />
As far as achievements go &#8211; you take any person with personal growth and they are obvious.  Let&#8217;s take Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King. Ask any of your friends &#8211; what did these guys do and (provided they know who these guys are) you&#8217;ll get the same answers.  That&#8217;s what I mean.  There is no ambiguity.  Were Gandi or Mother Teresa people who&#8217;ve grown substantially? Yes. What is the RESULT of that.  Any college student will tell you about Gandi, passive resistance, civil rights.  Same with mother Teresa.<br />
Did Steve Pavlina made a quantum leap in his personal growth? We&#8217;ll, I don&#8217;t know, you decide.  What is the RESULT of that &#8211; lets take a look.  You do help people or do you write that your goal is helping people and the fact you have such a goal makes you feel so good and comfie inside that you think of yourself as a product of  personal growth.<br />
Where does this personal growth come from, Steve?  Your head? Books you read?<br />
You can get good body by thinking in your head that you are pumping iron nor by reading &#8220;Great Abs in 6 days&#8221;.  You have to pump the iron.  Same with personal growth.  What have you DONE within past &#8230;. months to grow personally?<br />
It&#8217;s easy to see where growth is real and where it&#8217;s fake.<br />
Did you grow over time as a game developer &#8211; yes and that&#8217;s easy to see to anyone who tracks Dexterity.  Do you grow as a writer &#8211; yes, one can see that too.  More articles, new twists, more visitors, etc.<br />
Are you growing personally or playing head games with yourself?  Let&#8217;s look at results.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/professional-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-9786</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wonga:  Growth in consciousness is closely connected to change.  Growing more conscious involves exploring different perspectives, and to do that in a linear way requires change.  For example, as you mentioned, I&#039;ve been a meat eater, a vegetarian, and a vegan.  I&#039;m able to recall and understand all three perspectives.  To me a big part of growth in consciousness is the expansion of perspective, the ability to see reality from different angles simultaneously.

So yes, whether you call this growth or change, this is what I&#039;ve been working on.  This is a fairly recent perspective for me though (perhaps last few months), so I&#039;m sure it will continue to evolve.

See... on one level of awareness, you might say that some perspectives are better or worse than others.  For example, you might say it&#039;s better to be a millionaire than a pauper.  And within that paradigm, those statements make perfect sense.  If you were a millionaire and lost all your money, you wouldn&#039;t consider that as growth.  As you said, a better word for it would be change.

Another paradigm, however, is that one perspective is no better or worse than any other.  Each has value in its own way because each new perspective you experience will foster the growth of your awareness.  So within this paradigm, if you had an experience like Bernie Ebbers or Martha Stewart just did, you would still think of it as a growth experience, not merely as change.  Even as your material situation seemed to be contracting, your consciousness would ultimately expand as a consequence of experiencing a new perspective.

I&#039;m still goal-oriented.  However, the nature of my goals has shifted.  It used to be that about 80% of my goals were about physical world accomplishments, and 20% were related to becoming more aware or conscious.  Now it&#039;s 80-20 the opposite direction.  I find the consciousness-related goals much more challenging and fulfilling.

I would still appreciate it if you feel comfortable answering my question about spectacular achievements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wonga:  Growth in consciousness is closely connected to change.  Growing more conscious involves exploring different perspectives, and to do that in a linear way requires change.  For example, as you mentioned, I&#8217;ve been a meat eater, a vegetarian, and a vegan.  I&#8217;m able to recall and understand all three perspectives.  To me a big part of growth in consciousness is the expansion of perspective, the ability to see reality from different angles simultaneously.</p>
<p>So yes, whether you call this growth or change, this is what I&#8217;ve been working on.  This is a fairly recent perspective for me though (perhaps last few months), so I&#8217;m sure it will continue to evolve.</p>
<p>See&#8230; on one level of awareness, you might say that some perspectives are better or worse than others.  For example, you might say it&#8217;s better to be a millionaire than a pauper.  And within that paradigm, those statements make perfect sense.  If you were a millionaire and lost all your money, you wouldn&#8217;t consider that as growth.  As you said, a better word for it would be change.</p>
<p>Another paradigm, however, is that one perspective is no better or worse than any other.  Each has value in its own way because each new perspective you experience will foster the growth of your awareness.  So within this paradigm, if you had an experience like Bernie Ebbers or Martha Stewart just did, you would still think of it as a growth experience, not merely as change.  Even as your material situation seemed to be contracting, your consciousness would ultimately expand as a consequence of experiencing a new perspective.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still goal-oriented.  However, the nature of my goals has shifted.  It used to be that about 80% of my goals were about physical world accomplishments, and 20% were related to becoming more aware or conscious.  Now it&#8217;s 80-20 the opposite direction.  I find the consciousness-related goals much more challenging and fulfilling.</p>
<p>I would still appreciate it if you feel comfortable answering my question about spectacular achievements.</p>
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