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	<title>Comments on: Get Involved Anyway, Even if You Think It Won&#8217;t Help</title>
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		<title>By: Trudi-Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/08/get-involved-anyway-even-if-you-think-it-wont-help/#comment-7690</link>
		<dc:creator>Trudi-Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the article interesting. It wasn't what I expected at first, but it came around eventually.

This helped me to see that even though you may not have that great an interest in the group that you are affiliated with, but if you make it interesting for yourself, end result is going to be positive. Organisations like these can help you to grow and mature in a way that can be used in other situations as they arise.

This spurred me to reacquaint myself with a group that I started to show interest in. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the article interesting. It wasn&#8217;t what I expected at first, but it came around eventually.</p>
<p>This helped me to see that even though you may not have that great an interest in the group that you are affiliated with, but if you make it interesting for yourself, end result is going to be positive. Organisations like these can help you to grow and mature in a way that can be used in other situations as they arise.</p>
<p>This spurred me to reacquaint myself with a group that I started to show interest in. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Muryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Muryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rich -- I also play Ultimate Frisbee ;-)  It is a very cool all-around sports.  It was also fresh-air when I discovered it.  And I must admit that everything you say is true.  You have to try.  In frisbee was is true is that sometime you think it is out of reach, you fear that you have no chance or fear to dive or to dare. etc.  Just do it (c).

I once wrote something (and probably a gazillion of people wrote it) that is not spectacular but that resume it:

You try nothing, you get nothing.

Therefore just try.  If you try, you already have a greater chance to succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich &#8212; I also play Ultimate Frisbee <img src='http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  It is a very cool all-around sports.  It was also fresh-air when I discovered it.  And I must admit that everything you say is true.  You have to try.  In frisbee was is true is that sometime you think it is out of reach, you fear that you have no chance or fear to dive or to dare. etc.  Just do it (c).</p>
<p>I once wrote something (and probably a gazillion of people wrote it) that is not spectacular but that resume it:</p>
<p>You try nothing, you get nothing.</p>
<p>Therefore just try.  If you try, you already have a greater chance to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently found out that volunteering can really energize you.  I do mainframe programming for a living but have been getting bored with it.  I have done some website development on the side, but have not done much with it lately.  Well, about a month ago, a peace group in my area advertised that they needed a web designer to create a website for them.  I volunteered, and it has made a  huge difference.

First of all, I have met a lot of new friends through the group.

Secondly, I have become re-energized after doing their website and seeing how appreciative they were.  I decided to create a blog about a hobby of mine (dogs).

Now I am suddenly very busy in my free time, with the peace website and the dog blog, and going to peace activities.  But I am happier than I have been in a long time.

So, definitely, I think volunteering can change your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently found out that volunteering can really energize you.  I do mainframe programming for a living but have been getting bored with it.  I have done some website development on the side, but have not done much with it lately.  Well, about a month ago, a peace group in my area advertised that they needed a web designer to create a website for them.  I volunteered, and it has made a  huge difference.</p>
<p>First of all, I have met a lot of new friends through the group.</p>
<p>Secondly, I have become re-energized after doing their website and seeing how appreciative they were.  I decided to create a blog about a hobby of mine (dogs).</p>
<p>Now I am suddenly very busy in my free time, with the peace website and the dog blog, and going to peace activities.  But I am happier than I have been in a long time.</p>
<p>So, definitely, I think volunteering can change your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty good story - I have to admit I'm only just learning the incredible importance of networking, but once you start, like yourself, you wonder why oyu didn't do it sooner.

Yes, it costs time and money - but all opportunity surely requires some degree of investment to turn potential opportunity into actual realisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good story - I have to admit I&#8217;m only just learning the incredible importance of networking, but once you start, like yourself, you wonder why oyu didn&#8217;t do it sooner.</p>
<p>Yes, it costs time and money - but all opportunity surely requires some degree of investment to turn potential opportunity into actual realisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Anhalt</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/08/get-involved-anyway-even-if-you-think-it-wont-help/#comment-7435</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Anhalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela: regarding your question  "Is it detrimental to my career to put my personal needs first?"

NO

Smoking is detrimental to one's health. Putting your personal needs first is not detrimental to one's career.  It may be that by choosing to spend time with volunteer work rather than trade organizations will leave you at a lower rung on the ladder of success.  It not a negative thing, it just won't add as much positive value to your career success (perhaps).

Also, it depends on your values and goals.  I know a VP in a major corporation. He sit on Boards and is member of this and that trade org. His life is 24x7 career.  He'll reach CEO someday.  No spiritual life though. Yeah, he believes in God and attends church occassionally, but more out of an need to be seen really. No social life, outside of coporate shin-digs and enteraining clients at a ballgame.

I believe in a more balanced lifestyle.  I have a good job and a great family.  I am leader a scouting group and have an active spiritual life.  That life fits my goals and the VP's fits his.  Both of us are successful in our endeavors and both have a good life.  But he has the better 'career'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela: regarding your question  &#8220;Is it detrimental to my career to put my personal needs first?&#8221;</p>
<p>NO</p>
<p>Smoking is detrimental to one&#8217;s health. Putting your personal needs first is not detrimental to one&#8217;s career.  It may be that by choosing to spend time with volunteer work rather than trade organizations will leave you at a lower rung on the ladder of success.  It not a negative thing, it just won&#8217;t add as much positive value to your career success (perhaps).</p>
<p>Also, it depends on your values and goals.  I know a VP in a major corporation. He sit on Boards and is member of this and that trade org. His life is 24&#215;7 career.  He&#8217;ll reach CEO someday.  No spiritual life though. Yeah, he believes in God and attends church occassionally, but more out of an need to be seen really. No social life, outside of coporate shin-digs and enteraining clients at a ballgame.</p>
<p>I believe in a more balanced lifestyle.  I have a good job and a great family.  I am leader a scouting group and have an active spiritual life.  That life fits my goals and the VP&#8217;s fits his.  Both of us are successful in our endeavors and both have a good life.  But he has the better &#8216;career&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve --

After reading this Web site, I did two things: I looked up "synchronicity," and then I Googled writing trade organizations. And I think I found one: http://www.calwriters.org/

They even have prose open mic nights, which is something I've been wanting to find ever since I moved to the Bay Area last year.

So, uh, thanks. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211;</p>
<p>After reading this Web site, I did two things: I looked up &#8220;synchronicity,&#8221; and then I Googled writing trade organizations. And I think I found one: <a href="http://www.calwriters.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.calwriters.org/</a></p>
<p>They even have prose open mic nights, which is something I&#8217;ve been wanting to find ever since I moved to the Bay Area last year.</p>
<p>So, uh, thanks. <img src='http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments about Toastmasters and ASP have been illuminating. I'd like to get involved with a trade organization for my preferred career (creative nonfiction and fiction writing), but I don't even know where to start. In any widely attractive career, there are going to be tons of little organizations with people who aren't serious or professional, as one commenter mentioned here. I'm sure that the way you bypassed that was by going straight to the top, where the more serious members were. Yet, all that aside -- how do you rate the organizations that you find? How do you identify the one that will most benefit you? And how do you find these organizations at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments about Toastmasters and ASP have been illuminating. I&#8217;d like to get involved with a trade organization for my preferred career (creative nonfiction and fiction writing), but I don&#8217;t even know where to start. In any widely attractive career, there are going to be tons of little organizations with people who aren&#8217;t serious or professional, as one commenter mentioned here. I&#8217;m sure that the way you bypassed that was by going straight to the top, where the more serious members were. Yet, all that aside &#8212; how do you rate the organizations that you find? How do you identify the one that will most benefit you? And how do you find these organizations at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take two different things from this article, and the while the second point of view isn't what Steve intended I think, I still think it's worth communicating.  The first is that, essentially, the advice of other people may in fact be worth taking even if you think it's silly.  Everyone's getting that one.  That's a good lesson.

As for the second, a story:

I play ultimate disc (also called ultimate frisbee or frisbee football).  It's a bit like basketball in all the running and sprinting fast-paced play, but the field is closer to fotball sized.  If you drop/don't catch the disc, it's a turnover, and if you manage to knock the disc out of the air while you don't have posession, it's a turnover and your team gets the disc.

Now, it's a very fast game, and throws are often (just) out or reach, either above or just past you, a good healthy dive away.  There's generally lots of opportunities to make a diving block or catch, but for many of those opportunities you're telling yourself, "Oh, he's got that."  Or, "I can't get that."  Or, "That's probably out anyway."

You know what I've found out, though?  *Sometimes I'm wrong*!  In fact, it's really not considerably rare to make an obligitory, yet committed attempt for a catch or block *and succeed*!  The feeling of making that block or catch that you totally thought was out of reach is almost indescribable, and easily more than makes up for all the missed attempts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take two different things from this article, and the while the second point of view isn&#8217;t what Steve intended I think, I still think it&#8217;s worth communicating.  The first is that, essentially, the advice of other people may in fact be worth taking even if you think it&#8217;s silly.  Everyone&#8217;s getting that one.  That&#8217;s a good lesson.</p>
<p>As for the second, a story:</p>
<p>I play ultimate disc (also called ultimate frisbee or frisbee football).  It&#8217;s a bit like basketball in all the running and sprinting fast-paced play, but the field is closer to fotball sized.  If you drop/don&#8217;t catch the disc, it&#8217;s a turnover, and if you manage to knock the disc out of the air while you don&#8217;t have posession, it&#8217;s a turnover and your team gets the disc.</p>
<p>Now, it&#8217;s a very fast game, and throws are often (just) out or reach, either above or just past you, a good healthy dive away.  There&#8217;s generally lots of opportunities to make a diving block or catch, but for many of those opportunities you&#8217;re telling yourself, &#8220;Oh, he&#8217;s got that.&#8221;  Or, &#8220;I can&#8217;t get that.&#8221;  Or, &#8220;That&#8217;s probably out anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know what I&#8217;ve found out, though?  *Sometimes I&#8217;m wrong*!  In fact, it&#8217;s really not considerably rare to make an obligitory, yet committed attempt for a catch or block *and succeed*!  The feeling of making that block or catch that you totally thought was out of reach is almost indescribable, and easily more than makes up for all the missed attempts.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a translator, I have long debated joining ATA (American Translators Association) or ALTA (American Literary Translators Association), but I have put it off out of fear that I would not be accepted as part of the group. I suppose it's because I have no formal training in translation--I have attended seminars and workshops, but I don't have a degree in translation, and mostly everything I know I learned from doing and studying on my own.

Reading this article, though, has given me a lot of food for thought. I am going to seriously look into joining one of these organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a translator, I have long debated joining ATA (American Translators Association) or ALTA (American Literary Translators Association), but I have put it off out of fear that I would not be accepted as part of the group. I suppose it&#8217;s because I have no formal training in translation&#8211;I have attended seminars and workshops, but I don&#8217;t have a degree in translation, and mostly everything I know I learned from doing and studying on my own.</p>
<p>Reading this article, though, has given me a lot of food for thought. I am going to seriously look into joining one of these organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

" I’ve frequently seen in my life that when I focus on getting, I find myself surrounded by scarcity. But when I focus on giving, somehow there always seems to be abundance. " 
   This is perfectly true in my case.....  :-) 

"I didn’t worry about making money from it. I put all my up-front energy into trying to provide something of value — for free"
  I sincerely thank you for this initiative.  I am a regular visitor of this website and I make sure that I read your BLOG daily...  I saw the article "How to give up coffee?".... For past 25 days, I am not drinking coffee..... Thanks for the tips you gave.....

"If you want to advance in your career or business, get involved with an appropriate trade organization, and volunteer until it hurts. And if you think it won’t make a difference, just do it anyway. Maybe I know something you don’t…"

   Although I am not involved in any organization, I volunteer for taking few training sessions which gives me lot of satisfaction.... I will take your advise and I will try to join one such organization.....Thanks steve....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>&#8221; I’ve frequently seen in my life that when I focus on getting, I find myself surrounded by scarcity. But when I focus on giving, somehow there always seems to be abundance. &#8221;<br />
   This is perfectly true in my case&#8230;..  <img src='http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;I didn’t worry about making money from it. I put all my up-front energy into trying to provide something of value — for free&#8221;<br />
  I sincerely thank you for this initiative.  I am a regular visitor of this website and I make sure that I read your BLOG daily&#8230;  I saw the article &#8220;How to give up coffee?&#8221;&#8230;. For past 25 days, I am not drinking coffee&#8230;.. Thanks for the tips you gave&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8220;If you want to advance in your career or business, get involved with an appropriate trade organization, and volunteer until it hurts. And if you think it won’t make a difference, just do it anyway. Maybe I know something you don’t…&#8221;</p>
<p>   Although I am not involved in any organization, I volunteer for taking few training sessions which gives me lot of satisfaction&#8230;. I will take your advise and I will try to join one such organization&#8230;..Thanks steve&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another great post, Steve.  At first glance, joining such an organization would never appeal to me.  However, your story convinces me I should really give it a try and be more active in the process.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another great post, Steve.  At first glance, joining such an organization would never appeal to me.  However, your story convinces me I should really give it a try and be more active in the process.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting story. Don't know if one could draw an exact comparison, but this is almost like the "action beats depression" thing. On another note, I seem to recall Tracey saying long ago (went through self-help phase) that happiness wasn't a goal in itself, but rather, it was the by-product of a good life. To this day I think that's mostly true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting story. Don&#8217;t know if one could draw an exact comparison, but this is almost like the &#8220;action beats depression&#8221; thing. On another note, I seem to recall Tracey saying long ago (went through self-help phase) that happiness wasn&#8217;t a goal in itself, but rather, it was the by-product of a good life. To this day I think that&#8217;s mostly true.</p>
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		<title>By: Rambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a member of the ASP.

What I don't like about the ASP is the fact that many members don't take shareware seriously.

For them writing shareware and getting 200-300 $ per month out of shareware is just a hobby, and so is participating in the ASP newsgroups. So there is a lot of chatter without a lot of substance. The ASP newsgroup is their social club - they work a little on products but they chit-chat a lot.

For me shareware is the way I earn over 90% of my income. It's my bread and butter. I work very hard on developing programs (together with my team) and engage in cut-throat competition with other companies. I treat shareware very seriously.

This is why I started to dislike ASP, in spite of the fact that I have been a member for 3 years.

I found that http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/?biz is a much better forum for software business than ASP is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member of the ASP.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t like about the ASP is the fact that many members don&#8217;t take shareware seriously.</p>
<p>For them writing shareware and getting 200-300 $ per month out of shareware is just a hobby, and so is participating in the ASP newsgroups. So there is a lot of chatter without a lot of substance. The ASP newsgroup is their social club - they work a little on products but they chit-chat a lot.</p>
<p>For me shareware is the way I earn over 90% of my income. It&#8217;s my bread and butter. I work very hard on developing programs (together with my team) and engage in cut-throat competition with other companies. I treat shareware very seriously.</p>
<p>This is why I started to dislike ASP, in spite of the fact that I have been a member for 3 years.</p>
<p>I found that <a href="http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/?biz" rel="nofollow">http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/?biz</a> is a much better forum for software business than ASP is.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand making a trade organization your first volunteer priority for professional development, but personally I get more satisfaction out of my volunteer work with other organizations, which leaves me without enough time or energy to volunteer with my trade organization.  Is it detrimental to my career to put my personal needs first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand making a trade organization your first volunteer priority for professional development, but personally I get more satisfaction out of my volunteer work with other organizations, which leaves me without enough time or energy to volunteer with my trade organization.  Is it detrimental to my career to put my personal needs first?</p>
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