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		<title>By: Apurva Jain</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/08/end-goals-vs-means-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-9274</link>
		<dc:creator>Apurva Jain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too good.I feel liberated,you have shed all my doubts and now i know there are lot of ways to achieve end goals.

God you sre great,awesome.

Keep writing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too good.I feel liberated,you have shed all my doubts and now i know there are lot of ways to achieve end goals.</p>
<p>God you sre great,awesome.</p>
<p>Keep writing</p>
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		<title>By: Rodger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with your distinction between end and means goals. It is a valuable insight that can save you a lot of frustration if you are going down the wrong &quot;means&quot; path.

In my goal setting software, I ended up creating separate concepts for dreams (&quot;end&quot; goals) and goals (&quot;means&quot; goals) because I think the planning and questions you need to ask yourself are different for each of them. Same idea, just slightly different terminology.

I&#039;ve also found that within the means goals, you can distinguish between outcome-oriented goals like reaching a target weight in 6 months, and behavior-oriented goals that support them. Things like exercising 3 times per week, or limiting your portions while eating out. I think it is easier to stay motivated with the supporting goals when you can link them to a higher purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with your distinction between end and means goals. It is a valuable insight that can save you a lot of frustration if you are going down the wrong &#8220;means&#8221; path.</p>
<p>In my goal setting software, I ended up creating separate concepts for dreams (&#8221;end&#8221; goals) and goals (&#8221;means&#8221; goals) because I think the planning and questions you need to ask yourself are different for each of them. Same idea, just slightly different terminology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also found that within the means goals, you can distinguish between outcome-oriented goals like reaching a target weight in 6 months, and behavior-oriented goals that support them. Things like exercising 3 times per week, or limiting your portions while eating out. I think it is easier to stay motivated with the supporting goals when you can link them to a higher purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: yow chuan</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/08/end-goals-vs-means-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-8530</link>
		<dc:creator>yow chuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Lee puts it this way: &quot;It is not necessary to really achieve your goal, as a goal is merely something to help you aim/focus your effort.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Lee puts it this way: &#8220;It is not necessary to really achieve your goal, as a goal is merely something to help you aim/focus your effort.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it interesting that you speparated &quot;end&quot; from &quot;means&quot; and referenced S.M.A.R.T., yet did not differentiate with the labels Goal and Objective.

In planning and project management terms, a Goal is the end-state description and Objectives (in SMART format) are the means to move toward the Goal.  

You might find the planning practice Hoshin-Kanri appealing.  Hoshin teaches how to create and &quot;deploy&quot; objectives to accomplish a goal.  It&#039;s a little like a Gantt type project plan, but rotated to form a tree of Objectives cascading from a Goal.

While Hoshin is normally used for business plans, I&#039;ve experimented to adapt it to personal planning.  I started with the planning model of EDS, the consulting firm, and looked for parallels to their focus on &#039;benefit the customer&#039;, &#039;improve the business&#039; and &#039;develop the staff&#039;.

My personal Hoshin has three questions at its &quot;root&quot; - what will I do for the benefit of others?, what will I do to improve &#039;operations&#039; within my family?, what will I do to evolve myself?  (I&#039;m working on this as a background task.)

From following your Blog, hear your emphasis on personal evolution.  You might think about formalizing goals for the other two domains.  Perhaps you have already them, but haven&#039;t applied this framework to separate them for visibility and to help manage life-balance.

Info on Hoshin can be found on a web-site operated by Pete Babich, the CEO of Total Quality Engineering – http://www.tqe.com.  Pete publishes the “Hoshin Handbook” which describes in very simple procedures how to conduct Hoshin style planning.

A more thorough tutorial of Hoshin planning is available in a book by Cowley and Domb: “Beyond Strategic Vision – Effective Corporate Action with Hoshin Planning” (1997).  This is available at the online bookstore of amazon.com 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750698438/qid=1123474188/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_ur_2_1/104-6508993-1987911 
for approx. $18.00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it interesting that you speparated &#8220;end&#8221; from &#8220;means&#8221; and referenced S.M.A.R.T., yet did not differentiate with the labels Goal and Objective.</p>
<p>In planning and project management terms, a Goal is the end-state description and Objectives (in SMART format) are the means to move toward the Goal.  </p>
<p>You might find the planning practice Hoshin-Kanri appealing.  Hoshin teaches how to create and &#8220;deploy&#8221; objectives to accomplish a goal.  It&#8217;s a little like a Gantt type project plan, but rotated to form a tree of Objectives cascading from a Goal.</p>
<p>While Hoshin is normally used for business plans, I&#8217;ve experimented to adapt it to personal planning.  I started with the planning model of EDS, the consulting firm, and looked for parallels to their focus on &#8216;benefit the customer&#8217;, &#8216;improve the business&#8217; and &#8216;develop the staff&#8217;.</p>
<p>My personal Hoshin has three questions at its &#8220;root&#8221; &#8211; what will I do for the benefit of others?, what will I do to improve &#8216;operations&#8217; within my family?, what will I do to evolve myself?  (I&#8217;m working on this as a background task.)</p>
<p>From following your Blog, hear your emphasis on personal evolution.  You might think about formalizing goals for the other two domains.  Perhaps you have already them, but haven&#8217;t applied this framework to separate them for visibility and to help manage life-balance.</p>
<p>Info on Hoshin can be found on a web-site operated by Pete Babich, the CEO of Total Quality Engineering – <a href="http://www.tqe.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tqe.com</a>.  Pete publishes the “Hoshin Handbook” which describes in very simple procedures how to conduct Hoshin style planning.</p>
<p>A more thorough tutorial of Hoshin planning is available in a book by Cowley and Domb: “Beyond Strategic Vision – Effective Corporate Action with Hoshin Planning” (1997).  This is available at the online bookstore of amazon.com<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750698438/qid=1123474188/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_ur_2_1/104-6508993-1987911" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750698438/qid=1123474188/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_ur_2_1/104-6508993-1987911</a><br />
for approx. $18.00</p>
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		<title>By: Cpu_Modern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cpu_Modern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decent necessery article; bravo. Reality is even worse than that. You may take a look at what people publish on sites like http://www.43things.com/ - it is some sort of social goals-list management thing. Most people don&#039;t even seem to understand that you have to set sepecific goals. In my experience people do confuse a goal and the actions requred to meet the goal as well. The whole thing seems to be pretty complicated (for non-programmers(?)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decent necessery article; bravo. Reality is even worse than that. You may take a look at what people publish on sites like <a href="http://www.43things.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.43things.com/</a> &#8211; it is some sort of social goals-list management thing. Most people don&#8217;t even seem to understand that you have to set sepecific goals. In my experience people do confuse a goal and the actions requred to meet the goal as well. The whole thing seems to be pretty complicated (for non-programmers(?)).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added an extra clarification paragraph to the end of the original goals to help provide a better understanding of end goals in the context of a system like S.M.A.R.T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added an extra clarification paragraph to the end of the original goals to help provide a better understanding of end goals in the context of a system like S.M.A.R.T.</p>
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		<title>By: Sukotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sukotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic:
Speaking of goals.  I hope sometime you&#039;ll write an article talking about handling goals that you cannot easily measure.

You (and others) say to make your goals specific and measurable.  How do you measure goals like &quot;being a man of honesty&quot;? Sure can can change the wording to &quot;never tell an untruth&quot; but then you run into the &quot;ugly bride/baby&quot; problem.

Or the goal of &quot;being a good father&quot; (one of mine).  How do you measure something like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic:<br />
Speaking of goals.  I hope sometime you&#8217;ll write an article talking about handling goals that you cannot easily measure.</p>
<p>You (and others) say to make your goals specific and measurable.  How do you measure goals like &#8220;being a man of honesty&#8221;? Sure can can change the wording to &#8220;never tell an untruth&#8221; but then you run into the &#8220;ugly bride/baby&#8221; problem.</p>
<p>Or the goal of &#8220;being a good father&#8221; (one of mine).  How do you measure something like that?</p>
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		<title>By: J Wynia</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Wynia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic explanation. I&#039;m always telling people to quit coming to me with a &quot;half solution&quot; and bring me a &quot;problem&quot; instead. What I&#039;ve been getting at is the same thing, but your distinction is clearer. I&#039;m frustrated when someone wants help with their means goal because often the means they&#039;ve chosen are exactly what&#039;s getting in their way. Usually, when I can get to the root goal/problem, a much better path is available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic explanation. I&#8217;m always telling people to quit coming to me with a &#8220;half solution&#8221; and bring me a &#8220;problem&#8221; instead. What I&#8217;ve been getting at is the same thing, but your distinction is clearer. I&#8217;m frustrated when someone wants help with their means goal because often the means they&#8217;ve chosen are exactly what&#8217;s getting in their way. Usually, when I can get to the root goal/problem, a much better path is available.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve -

Great and deceptively simple re-framing tool!  I&#039;ve actually been misinterpreting a couple of past (major) business failures (read, &quot;crash and burn&quot;) which, when reframed as &quot;means goals&quot; under your coaching in this article, not ends goals, I now suddenly realize very clearly that those businesses actually weren&#039;t failures -- they were just means that didn&#039;t arrive at where I&#039;m headed as my ends goal(S)

Now I see that those experiences increased my credentials, skills and competence exponentially (i.e., now, along with my other skills,  I am qualified as an adviser in renewal of distressed small businesses, bankruptcies, winding up small businesses, etc.).  

There is no school that could teach what I&#039;ve learned and can now comfortably share, so long as I don&#039;t mistake it as a missed ends goal.  

Thanks again Steve -   I can&#039;t tell you how greatful I am for this coaching you provide and I&#039;m just blown away at what I am getting in the short time since I accidentally ran across your site -- 
You Rule!   Anton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve -</p>
<p>Great and deceptively simple re-framing tool!  I&#8217;ve actually been misinterpreting a couple of past (major) business failures (read, &#8220;crash and burn&#8221;) which, when reframed as &#8220;means goals&#8221; under your coaching in this article, not ends goals, I now suddenly realize very clearly that those businesses actually weren&#8217;t failures &#8212; they were just means that didn&#8217;t arrive at where I&#8217;m headed as my ends goal(S)</p>
<p>Now I see that those experiences increased my credentials, skills and competence exponentially (i.e., now, along with my other skills,  I am qualified as an adviser in renewal of distressed small businesses, bankruptcies, winding up small businesses, etc.).  </p>
<p>There is no school that could teach what I&#8217;ve learned and can now comfortably share, so long as I don&#8217;t mistake it as a missed ends goal.  </p>
<p>Thanks again Steve &#8211;   I can&#8217;t tell you how greatful I am for this coaching you provide and I&#8217;m just blown away at what I am getting in the short time since I accidentally ran across your site &#8212;<br />
You Rule!   Anton</p>
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