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		<title>By: PS-ITMec</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/05/passion-vs-self-discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>PS-ITMec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before joining IT, i worked as a mechanic in a garage. Please excuse me if my analogy talks about it.

After reading this blog, i have learnt that:

If Life is a car then driving would be Passion. One&#039;s self decipline would steer him on the road ahead safely.

No passion = No drive

No decipline = Dont drive (= not safe)


Friends Drive safely!

Regards,

PS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before joining IT, i worked as a mechanic in a garage. Please excuse me if my analogy talks about it.</p>
<p>After reading this blog, i have learnt that:</p>
<p>If Life is a car then driving would be Passion. One&#8217;s self decipline would steer him on the road ahead safely.</p>
<p>No passion = No drive</p>
<p>No decipline = Dont drive (= not safe)</p>
<p>Friends Drive safely!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>PS</p>
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		<title>By: Wa'thiq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wa'thiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related to my last post, i was looking in the dictionary for the defenition of passion, and i think i found a proverb that kinda matches what i meant... 

PASSION
 3. Boundless enthusiasm: &quot;His skills as a player don&#039;t quite match his passion for the game.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related to my last post, i was looking in the dictionary for the defenition of passion, and i think i found a proverb that kinda matches what i meant&#8230; </p>
<p>PASSION<br />
 3. Boundless enthusiasm: &#8220;His skills as a player don&#8217;t quite match his passion for the game.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wa'thiq</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/05/passion-vs-self-discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-3040</link>
		<dc:creator>Wa'thiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think passion is something that drives on to do something, and it is a an ingrediant that brings out the best results, but at the same time self-discpline to keep to your goals, and achieve them, and if there is no passion, in subjects of life, then you are doing form-less acts with any sense of productivity, like you said, a rat on the wheel, running, (self-discplined), and but his heart is still not happy, there is no upheaving force that really makes his feel he is doing something right and getting fruits without his passion. And i also think that passion has to be categorized in the right subject, but this people will still, in agreement need both passion and discpline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think passion is something that drives on to do something, and it is a an ingrediant that brings out the best results, but at the same time self-discpline to keep to your goals, and achieve them, and if there is no passion, in subjects of life, then you are doing form-less acts with any sense of productivity, like you said, a rat on the wheel, running, (self-discplined), and but his heart is still not happy, there is no upheaving force that really makes his feel he is doing something right and getting fruits without his passion. And i also think that passion has to be categorized in the right subject, but this people will still, in agreement need both passion and discpline.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just discovered your feed.  I really liked the logic explanation of Self-Discipline.  I tried using logic at the DHS one day.  It was not accepted.  I hope you don&#039;t mind, but I posted this on my blog as an easy reference.  Credits are to you of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered your feed.  I really liked the logic explanation of Self-Discipline.  I tried using logic at the DHS one day.  It was not accepted.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind, but I posted this on my blog as an easy reference.  Credits are to you of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Argenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The question is, what is the source of the passion? We treat passion as
&gt; the genesis of everything, as some fickle flame that appears out of
&gt; nowhere and then flares out mysteriously. Where does it come
&gt; from, and why do certain subjects make us passionate ?

Passion comes from unconsciousness.

It&#039;s sublimated (redirected, substituted) sexual energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The question is, what is the source of the passion? We treat passion as<br />
&gt; the genesis of everything, as some fickle flame that appears out of<br />
&gt; nowhere and then flares out mysteriously. Where does it come<br />
&gt; from, and why do certain subjects make us passionate ?</p>
<p>Passion comes from unconsciousness.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sublimated (redirected, substituted) sexual energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this whole debate about passion vs. self-discipline is quite interesting.

The question is, what is the source of the passion ? We treat passion as the genesis of everything, as some fickle flame that appears out of nowhere and then flares out mysteriously. Where does it come from, and why do certain subjects make us passionate ?

In my experience, passion is not a static, inanimate thing. There are things I was passionate about that I am less passionate about now, and vice versa. Passion to me is a resonance that occurs when one particular subject or activity resonates with our particular set of values - which would seem to fit in quite directly with the notion of congruence elaborated on by Steve on some earlier posts. Perform an activity that is especially congruent with your current philosophy and system of values, and passion will ensue.

Under that definition, attaiing a goal for which there is no passion will likely cause negative feedback as there will be little sense of being true to one&#039;s values upon completion. In fact, repeatdly using self-discipline to &quot;force oneself&quot; to go through goals for which one is not passionate would not only deplete the emotional fuel, but erode the self-disciplining ability that is so precious.

I also suspect that people have extremely varying notions of what passion may be. I could certainly say that I&#039;m passionate about mathematics nowadays, but it has nothing to do with the gut-wrenching, soul-burning, head-dizzying passion that I felt for music when I was in my late teens. The former is an optimistic, quiet feeling, while the latter is an intense, yet somewhat destructive form of passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this whole debate about passion vs. self-discipline is quite interesting.</p>
<p>The question is, what is the source of the passion ? We treat passion as the genesis of everything, as some fickle flame that appears out of nowhere and then flares out mysteriously. Where does it come from, and why do certain subjects make us passionate ?</p>
<p>In my experience, passion is not a static, inanimate thing. There are things I was passionate about that I am less passionate about now, and vice versa. Passion to me is a resonance that occurs when one particular subject or activity resonates with our particular set of values &#8211; which would seem to fit in quite directly with the notion of congruence elaborated on by Steve on some earlier posts. Perform an activity that is especially congruent with your current philosophy and system of values, and passion will ensue.</p>
<p>Under that definition, attaiing a goal for which there is no passion will likely cause negative feedback as there will be little sense of being true to one&#8217;s values upon completion. In fact, repeatdly using self-discipline to &#8220;force oneself&#8221; to go through goals for which one is not passionate would not only deplete the emotional fuel, but erode the self-disciplining ability that is so precious.</p>
<p>I also suspect that people have extremely varying notions of what passion may be. I could certainly say that I&#8217;m passionate about mathematics nowadays, but it has nothing to do with the gut-wrenching, soul-burning, head-dizzying passion that I felt for music when I was in my late teens. The former is an optimistic, quiet feeling, while the latter is an intense, yet somewhat destructive form of passion.</p>
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		<title>By: Argenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 12:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to disagee.

Passion is the fuel, self-discipline is not the fuel at all.

Actually, it&#039;s a matter of terminology.

Whatever you call self-discipline, if it also produces actions,
it should have traces of passion, no matter how.

&gt; Passion will create the spark, but it can&#039;t sustain the fire.

Self-discipline will not either. Only passion will create the spark
and sustain the fire.

&gt; All of those people you mentioned, they disciplined themselves to move
&gt; on even when their own passion was shaken.

Actually, their passion was not shaken. They&#039;ve been passionate
for their entire lives.

&gt; One thing you definitely notice is that some people, despite having
&gt; talent, never finish a project.

They don&#039;t have enough passion.


---


&gt; If you wereto undergo open heart surgery, would you want a
&gt; disciplined, dispassionate surgeon or an undisciplined, passionate one?
&gt; If you were being tried for murder, would you want a disciplined,
&gt; dispassionate defense team or a an undisciplined, passionate one?
&gt; If you were flying in the Space Shuttle, would you want the ground
&gt; controllers to be disciplined and dispassionate or undisciplined and
&gt; passionate?

Actually, I always choose creative people to work with, people who are
really interested, passionate people, not disciplined machines.

I would choose passionate doctor who is really interested in what
he&#039;s doing to make a complex test of my blood or an immune test
(a complex test for immunity). Because it requires a lot of learing
and thinking when producing, and a lot of passion to be actually
interested.

I like visiting my passionate dentist who speaks long lectures to me
about my mouth. It seems she treats my mouth as her own, she&#039;s really
passionate about it. And it leads to better results. I like it.

People can only produce good results when they&#039;re really interested
in what they&#039;re doing, i. e. when they&#039;re passionate about what
they&#039;re doing.

I don&#039;t trust disciplined human machines.


---

&gt; Personally, I&#039;d rather have a trial attorney represent me who believes
&gt; deep down that I am innocent and is so passionate about the law that
&gt; he will do whatever it takes to fight for my case. As opposed to a
&gt; disciplined attorney who just looks at me as a statistical
&gt; probability, or a paycheck, or just some job requirement he has to
&gt; deal with that particular day.

Yes, that&#039;s exactly what I wanted to say. Thanks for yet another analogy.


---

Still, it&#039;s a matter of terminology. Whatever you call self-discipline,
may actually be &#039;organized passion&#039; or kinda alike.



---

Actually all the greatest thoughts on this web-site were about
passion. There&#039;ve been a lot of talks here about purpose, living on
purpose, importance of what is deep down inside of you, and so alike.
Isn&#039;t it the same to live on purpose and to live on passion?

Purpose = disclosed, known, perceived passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to disagee.</p>
<p>Passion is the fuel, self-discipline is not the fuel at all.</p>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s a matter of terminology.</p>
<p>Whatever you call self-discipline, if it also produces actions,<br />
it should have traces of passion, no matter how.</p>
<p>&gt; Passion will create the spark, but it can&#8217;t sustain the fire.</p>
<p>Self-discipline will not either. Only passion will create the spark<br />
and sustain the fire.</p>
<p>&gt; All of those people you mentioned, they disciplined themselves to move<br />
&gt; on even when their own passion was shaken.</p>
<p>Actually, their passion was not shaken. They&#8217;ve been passionate<br />
for their entire lives.</p>
<p>&gt; One thing you definitely notice is that some people, despite having<br />
&gt; talent, never finish a project.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have enough passion.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>&gt; If you wereto undergo open heart surgery, would you want a<br />
&gt; disciplined, dispassionate surgeon or an undisciplined, passionate one?<br />
&gt; If you were being tried for murder, would you want a disciplined,<br />
&gt; dispassionate defense team or a an undisciplined, passionate one?<br />
&gt; If you were flying in the Space Shuttle, would you want the ground<br />
&gt; controllers to be disciplined and dispassionate or undisciplined and<br />
&gt; passionate?</p>
<p>Actually, I always choose creative people to work with, people who are<br />
really interested, passionate people, not disciplined machines.</p>
<p>I would choose passionate doctor who is really interested in what<br />
he&#8217;s doing to make a complex test of my blood or an immune test<br />
(a complex test for immunity). Because it requires a lot of learing<br />
and thinking when producing, and a lot of passion to be actually<br />
interested.</p>
<p>I like visiting my passionate dentist who speaks long lectures to me<br />
about my mouth. It seems she treats my mouth as her own, she&#8217;s really<br />
passionate about it. And it leads to better results. I like it.</p>
<p>People can only produce good results when they&#8217;re really interested<br />
in what they&#8217;re doing, i. e. when they&#8217;re passionate about what<br />
they&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t trust disciplined human machines.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>&gt; Personally, I&#8217;d rather have a trial attorney represent me who believes<br />
&gt; deep down that I am innocent and is so passionate about the law that<br />
&gt; he will do whatever it takes to fight for my case. As opposed to a<br />
&gt; disciplined attorney who just looks at me as a statistical<br />
&gt; probability, or a paycheck, or just some job requirement he has to<br />
&gt; deal with that particular day.</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s exactly what I wanted to say. Thanks for yet another analogy.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Still, it&#8217;s a matter of terminology. Whatever you call self-discipline,<br />
may actually be &#8216;organized passion&#8217; or kinda alike.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Actually all the greatest thoughts on this web-site were about<br />
passion. There&#8217;ve been a lot of talks here about purpose, living on<br />
purpose, importance of what is deep down inside of you, and so alike.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it the same to live on purpose and to live on passion?</p>
<p>Purpose = disclosed, known, perceived passion.</p>
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		<title>By: saikoBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>saikoBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 10:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Passion is what it means to be human. It is our very essence. But I&#039;ll agree that one needs self-discipline to complete things through. Another interesting thing that I&#039;ve been trying is to rekindle waning passion. I often find myself starting something very excitedly, only to have the motivation fizzle out at times. So what I do then is sit down and identify what feedback I need to help be get back into the groove. Sometimes all it takes is to remember how the moment felt like when you started the project. At other times, I sit back think of the future rewards that await me on completion. Works for me! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Passion is what it means to be human. It is our very essence. But I&#8217;ll agree that one needs self-discipline to complete things through. Another interesting thing that I&#8217;ve been trying is to rekindle waning passion. I often find myself starting something very excitedly, only to have the motivation fizzle out at times. So what I do then is sit down and identify what feedback I need to help be get back into the groove. Sometimes all it takes is to remember how the moment felt like when you started the project. At other times, I sit back think of the future rewards that await me on completion. Works for me! <img src='http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 02:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Thinking that my life would become a whole lot easier once I found my passion, I was a bit disappointed to read this post. But I suppose it&#039;s better to know this now rather than finding my passion, maybe not taking action like I thought I would, and then feeling really disappointed.

I hope your book goes into more depth on self-discipline. Your thoughts on why some people have a lot of self-discipline versus those that don&#039;t (character traits, values?), as well as actions to take for improving self-discipline (a 30-day to Success project). I&#039;ve only found the following information so far: http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/MAC%20Self-Discipline.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Thinking that my life would become a whole lot easier once I found my passion, I was a bit disappointed to read this post. But I suppose it&#8217;s better to know this now rather than finding my passion, maybe not taking action like I thought I would, and then feeling really disappointed.</p>
<p>I hope your book goes into more depth on self-discipline. Your thoughts on why some people have a lot of self-discipline versus those that don&#8217;t (character traits, values?), as well as actions to take for improving self-discipline (a 30-day to Success project). I&#8217;ve only found the following information so far: <a href="http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/MAC%20Self-Discipline.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/MAC%20Self-Discipline.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 16:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about being self-disciplined about keeping our eyes on the passion?

That&#039;ll complete the cycle.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about being self-disciplined about keeping our eyes on the passion?</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll complete the cycle.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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