Comments on: Raising Your Consciousness http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/ Personal Development for Smart People Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:32:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: lifebalance http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1906 lifebalance Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:30:08 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1906 "The level of Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus. Even just thinking about people at this level can raise your consciousness." - Very powerful. Thanks, Steve. I have been told incidents of individuals who have experienced permanent "elevation" in their consciousness when they had the first darshan (view) of an authentic Guru as far as 50-100 feet. Transformation was real. Avid non-vegetarians till that very moment began to shun meat from thereon, etc. These individuals neither came with any intention to be transformed nor had any expectations. No coercion, no mind tricks. Simple yet powerful tranformation. There are probably many such effortless routes to a higher state. “The level of Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus. Even just thinking about people at this level can raise your consciousness.” - Very powerful. Thanks, Steve.

I have been told incidents of individuals who have experienced permanent “elevation” in their consciousness when they had the first darshan (view) of an authentic Guru as far as 50-100 feet.

Transformation was real. Avid non-vegetarians till that very moment began to shun meat from thereon, etc. These individuals neither came with any intention to be transformed nor had any expectations. No coercion, no mind tricks. Simple yet powerful tranformation.

There are probably many such effortless routes to a higher state.

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By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1744 Steve Pavlina Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:53:04 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1744 I'll make a new post about why levels of consciousness matter and how they relate to personal growth. I’ll make a new post about why levels of consciousness matter and how they relate to personal growth.

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By: Bugiman http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1741 Bugiman Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:49:40 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1741 Wow, folks, calm down. There are no levels of consciousness. It's a model, that's all there is. It's not real. Steve is a good guy. He is a deft marketer and a smart guy. He is sharing his knowledge and looking for an outlet for his creative energy (he's got a lot of it). Are you going to accomplish anything simply by reading Steve's post? Hell, no. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THINGS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. Wow, folks, calm down. There are no levels of consciousness.
It’s a model, that’s all there is. It’s not real. Steve is a good guy. He is a deft marketer and a smart guy. He is sharing his knowledge and looking for an outlet for his creative energy (he’s got a lot of it). Are you going to accomplish anything simply by reading Steve’s post? Hell, no.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THINGS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

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By: GYS http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1739 GYS Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:59:40 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1739 Hi Steve, Congratulations on reaching the level of "Love." Keep up the great progress. I look forward to you reaching the next level. Steve: "... I don’t know of any set formula or strategy to figure out how to reach the next level though..." This reminds me of the four Yogas followed and advocated by the enlightened (people who experienced the highest level of concicousness, the enligtenment), especially in India. The four Yogas are Raja Yoga, Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, and Jnana Yoga. I've read the four books - one on each of these Yogas - written by Swami Vivekananda. I've found them to be very interesting. They have been helping me raise my levels of consciousness by making changes in the ways I live. And it's said that a harmonious balance of the four Yogas is necessary for evolving through several levels of conciousness. I'm not sure if these Yogas would work for everyone, but I've heard and read about people who practised these Yogas to reach higher levels of conciousness. And to clear up a block that some of my western friends have, these Yogas do NOT ask you to renounce your normal life and go to a mountain top to meditate all the time. :) GYS Hi Steve,

Congratulations on reaching the level of “Love.” Keep up the great progress. I look forward to you reaching the next level.

Steve: “… I don’t know of any set formula or strategy to figure out how to reach the next level though…”

This reminds me of the four Yogas followed and advocated by the enlightened (people who experienced the highest level of concicousness, the enligtenment), especially in India. The four Yogas are Raja Yoga, Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, and Jnana Yoga. I’ve read the four books - one on each of these Yogas - written by Swami Vivekananda. I’ve found them to be very interesting. They have been helping me raise my levels of consciousness by making changes in the ways I live.

And it’s said that a harmonious balance of the four Yogas is necessary for evolving through several levels of conciousness.

I’m not sure if these Yogas would work for everyone, but I’ve heard and read about people who practised these Yogas to reach higher levels of conciousness. And to clear up a block that some of my western friends have, these Yogas do NOT ask you to renounce your normal life and go to a mountain top to meditate all the time.

:) GYS

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By: Scott http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1737 Scott Mon, 11 Apr 2005 02:55:05 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1737 -Badman - Maybe you should read some of Steve's posts on purpose. Maybe, he's reaching pretty high heights, but from the sounds of Steve's later posts your just as busy and focused as he ever was. Perhaps that is something that doesn't diminish as you reach new levels of conciousness? -Badman - Maybe you should read some of Steve’s posts on purpose. Maybe, he’s reaching pretty high heights, but from the sounds of Steve’s later posts your just as busy and focused as he ever was. Perhaps that is something that doesn’t diminish as you reach new levels of conciousness?

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By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1736 Steve Pavlina Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:17:23 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1736 Funny you should mention that, Badman, since this morning I went for a 2-hour (mostly uphill) hike along the side of a mountain in Red Rock Canyon, just west of Vegas. At the end of the trail, there was a natural spring surrounded by 12-ft reeds. I sat on a rock and meditated for a while before walking back down. So this very morning I was indeed sitting on a mountain doing nothing. Don't knock it til you try it. ;) Funny you should mention that, Badman, since this morning I went for a 2-hour (mostly uphill) hike along the side of a mountain in Red Rock Canyon, just west of Vegas. At the end of the trail, there was a natural spring surrounded by 12-ft reeds. I sat on a rock and meditated for a while before walking back down.

So this very morning I was indeed sitting on a mountain doing nothing.

Don’t knock it til you try it. ;)

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By: Badman http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1735 Badman Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:13:10 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1735 I dunno Steve...I really enjoyed what you wrote on the Dexterity site, but at this point it sounds like you're going so high up you're going to asphyxiate. I mean, you know why those gurus sit on mountains and do nothing, right? It's because they piled thought abstraction on top of thought abstraction until they came to conclusion that nothing was worth doing. And we're supposed to consider them wise? I dunno Steve…I really enjoyed what you wrote on the Dexterity site, but at this point it sounds like you’re going so high up you’re going to asphyxiate. I mean, you know why those gurus sit on mountains and do nothing, right? It’s because they piled thought abstraction on top of thought abstraction until they came to conclusion that nothing was worth doing. And we’re supposed to consider them wise?

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By: Fred http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1732 Fred Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:36:45 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1732 Steve: I'd say you've found your true calling. Let me suggest a few things you might do though to improve your image. Dump the suit and get a robe; let your hair grow; Get some sun! See you in the stars! Steve:

I’d say you’ve found your true calling. Let me suggest a few things you might do though to improve your image. Dump the suit and get a robe; let your hair grow; Get some sun!

See you in the stars!

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By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1731 Steve Pavlina Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:38:21 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1731 Life itself will provide the lessons. I don't know of any set formula or strategy to figure out how to reach the next level though. It's a very individual process which plays out differently for everyone. For me the pattern usually starts with everything flowing smoothly for a while, then I gradually meet with resistance, then I acknowledge the resistance and try to figure out what's going on, and eventually I finally break through to a new level of awareness. It's never easy. My wife and I just spent a couple hours this evening talking about our pasts and how certain painful events contributed to new understandings. It's amazing how some of the most difficult experiences can prove to be so valuable in the long run, especially the experiences that help us learn courage. Life itself will provide the lessons. I don’t know of any set formula or strategy to figure out how to reach the next level though. It’s a very individual process which plays out differently for everyone. For me the pattern usually starts with everything flowing smoothly for a while, then I gradually meet with resistance, then I acknowledge the resistance and try to figure out what’s going on, and eventually I finally break through to a new level of awareness. It’s never easy.

My wife and I just spent a couple hours this evening talking about our pasts and how certain painful events contributed to new understandings. It’s amazing how some of the most difficult experiences can prove to be so valuable in the long run, especially the experiences that help us learn courage.

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By: Dwayne Melancon http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1730 Dwayne Melancon Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:36:59 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1730 Excellent post. How do you think we can identify the inhibitors to get to the next level? Is there some sort of awareness that needs to grow to "unlock" the path to the next level? I don't think sheer personal effort or force of will is enough, particularly at higher levels. For so many of the more advanced levels, you have to involve others to get there, and you can't push them along. Very thought provoking. Thanks. Excellent post. How do you think we can identify the inhibitors to get to the next level? Is there some sort of awareness that needs to grow to “unlock” the path to the next level? I don’t think sheer personal effort or force of will is enough, particularly at higher levels. For so many of the more advanced levels, you have to involve others to get there, and you can’t push them along. Very thought provoking. Thanks.

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By: Scott http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1728 Scott Sat, 09 Apr 2005 23:15:12 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1728 I can only remember experiencing one massive shift in my personal thinking, but I'm not currently sure what levels it would have been going from one to the next. Still, I agree with your past points. Once you reach that new level you see the old mentality as a trap and you can't possibly imagine living with that mentality. I can only remember experiencing one massive shift in my personal thinking, but I’m not currently sure what levels it would have been going from one to the next.

Still, I agree with your past points. Once you reach that new level you see the old mentality as a trap and you can’t possibly imagine living with that mentality.

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By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1723 Steve Pavlina Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:25:46 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1723 I see Hawkins' levels of consciousness as abstractions. Even within each level there are varying degrees. Throughout my life this was a fairly linear path though, usually with many years separating each level. I think even this linear model is valid because early levels become prerequisites for later levels. We can temporarily experience any of these levels. Through meditation we can experience peace, for example. But where does our default consciousness reside right now? Which level encompasses your current world view at this moment? You can access the power of reason at any level, but you can't get your full consciousness to stay there if you don't have the self-discipline and focus to make reason your default choice for all key decisions. Similarly, if you want to achieve a pervasive state of peace where nothing can phase you, all the previous levels must be mastered first. When you hit a new level, it literally changes your entire life. It gives you a whole new view of the world. Your spiritual beliefs, the way you relate to people, your career direction -- everything will change, often dramatically. This is not the kind of thing you'll see every day. These are the kinds of changes that cause people to go vegetarian, to consciously switch careers, to get a divorce, to start their own business, etc. If someone close to you reached a new level, there's no way you wouldn't notice. It would be plainly obvious that the person had changed massively. I see Hawkins’ levels of consciousness as abstractions. Even within each level there are varying degrees. Throughout my life this was a fairly linear path though, usually with many years separating each level. I think even this linear model is valid because early levels become prerequisites for later levels.

We can temporarily experience any of these levels. Through meditation we can experience peace, for example. But where does our default consciousness reside right now? Which level encompasses your current world view at this moment?

You can access the power of reason at any level, but you can’t get your full consciousness to stay there if you don’t have the self-discipline and focus to make reason your default choice for all key decisions. Similarly, if you want to achieve a pervasive state of peace where nothing can phase you, all the previous levels must be mastered first.

When you hit a new level, it literally changes your entire life. It gives you a whole new view of the world. Your spiritual beliefs, the way you relate to people, your career direction — everything will change, often dramatically. This is not the kind of thing you’ll see every day. These are the kinds of changes that cause people to go vegetarian, to consciously switch careers, to get a divorce, to start their own business, etc. If someone close to you reached a new level, there’s no way you wouldn’t notice. It would be plainly obvious that the person had changed massively.

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By: Scott http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1718 Scott Sat, 09 Apr 2005 06:11:39 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/raising-your-consciousness/#comment-1718 I like the ideas you present about different levels of consciousness. But, don't you think that it is a little too narrow to define these levels into such precise incremants. I know you mentioned that you're experiences flicker between them time to time, but whats to say you experience reason before you experience neutrility? I can't believe that all of these levels are clearly linear, or even clearly steps, perhaps they may be different levels of awareness or conciousness, as you stated earlier. I often feel sections of reasoning in my life, also pride. However, I can't say I generally experience neutrility. I'm sure I have a long way to go, but I am young and I suppose the true path towards a higher level of conciousness is through experience and observation, and a concious effort to improve myself. I've read all of your articles at dexterity, and here, and I'm pretty sure most of your blog entries (usually as a little motivator when I'm feeling down or lazy). I particularly enjoyed the ones about lucid dreaming, still working on that one though... Keep up the great work. :) I like the ideas you present about different levels of consciousness. But, don’t you think that it is a little too narrow to define these levels into such precise incremants.

I know you mentioned that you’re experiences flicker between them time to time, but whats to say you experience reason before you experience neutrility?

I can’t believe that all of these levels are clearly linear, or even clearly steps, perhaps they may be different levels of awareness or conciousness, as you stated earlier. I often feel sections of reasoning in my life, also pride. However, I can’t say I generally experience neutrility.

I’m sure I have a long way to go, but I am young and I suppose the true path towards a higher level of conciousness is through experience and observation, and a concious effort to improve myself.

I’ve read all of your articles at dexterity, and here, and I’m pretty sure most of your blog entries (usually as a little motivator when I’m feeling down or lazy). I particularly enjoyed the ones about lucid dreaming, still working on that one though…

Keep up the great work. :)

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