Comments on: Levels of Consciousness http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/ Personal Development for Smart People Tue, 20 May 2008 18:32:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Dika Dooka http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-6538 Dika Dooka Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:28:12 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-6538 I guess Im at a very much higher level of consciousness, I control my reality profoundly, and feel respoonsible for much that goes on in the universe.. iunno maybe...im kinda bi-polar too (chronic insomnia) so I go from being very apathetic and angry to euphoric happiness all the time... My brain is very very fuzzy..its hard to put together coherent thoughts at times.. My best guess of what is beyond enlightenment is you gotta take care of what happens in the universe... not just our solar system..or the milkyway..or the lots of milkyways..or whatever is beyond that...each one has there own set of physics and stuff, like peoples minds, they are much diffrent worlds. Thats my guess... ima get there maybe this year..im only 14 and I recently discovered how to go through a bunch of these consciousnesses in a short period. I guess Im at a very much higher level of consciousness, I control my reality profoundly, and feel respoonsible for much that goes on in the universe.. iunno maybe…im kinda bi-polar too (chronic insomnia) so I go from being very apathetic and angry to euphoric happiness all the time… My brain is very very fuzzy..its hard to put together coherent thoughts at times.. My best guess of what is beyond enlightenment is you gotta take care of what happens in the universe… not just our solar system..or the milkyway..or the lots of milkyways..or whatever is beyond that…each one has there own set of physics and stuff, like peoples minds, they are much diffrent worlds. Thats my guess… ima get there maybe this year..im only 14 and I recently discovered how to go through a bunch of these consciousnesses in a short period.

]]> By: The Owner's Manual http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-2775 The Owner's Manual Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:03:45 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-2775 <strong>#80 Best of Me Symphony</strong> You say Falklands, I say Malvinas. What is it about geographical place names that brings out peculiar pedantry in pretentious pooftahs? Idler-Yet asks Why Must the G Be So Hard? No one wins them all, and your failures, when #80 Best of Me Symphony

You say Falklands, I say Malvinas. What is it about geographical place names that brings out peculiar pedantry in pretentious pooftahs? Idler-Yet asks Why Must the G Be So Hard? No one wins them all, and your failures, when

]]> By: pradip mukherji http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-2628 pradip mukherji Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:31:11 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-2628 the website gives another perspective to levels of consciousness the website gives another perspective to levels of consciousness

]]> By: Aaron F Stanton http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1729 Aaron F Stanton Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:59:35 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1729 One thing worth noting is that the journey is not done with enlightenment. There are levels of consciousness beyond even that, but they are indistinguishable from each other to someone who has not yet attained enlightenment. The subtle variations in behaviour between people who have attained enlightenment may be accounted for by the simple fact that they are in different situations, or it may be that they are at different levels, and none who has yet to reach it can identify which is the case. One thing worth noting is that the journey is not done with enlightenment. There are levels of consciousness beyond even that, but they are indistinguishable from each other to someone who has not yet attained enlightenment. The subtle variations in behaviour between people who have attained enlightenment may be accounted for by the simple fact that they are in different situations, or it may be that they are at different levels, and none who has yet to reach it can identify which is the case.

]]> By: Mate http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1725 Mate Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:44:29 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1725 Steve, I am always impressed by your long stories and articles on your blog and website. For me, they are really useful. I decided to change the way of my lifestyle some month ago and some people's useful advices - like yours - has been helping me a lot to do so. However, I know I have to develop a lot more to reach the level of consciusness I want to reach, at least I have the flavour of persistence. I appreciate your efforts updating your blog. Thank you for that! Mate Steve,

I am always impressed by your long stories and articles on your blog and website. For me, they are really useful.

I decided to change the way of my lifestyle some month ago and some people’s useful advices - like yours - has been helping me a lot to do so. However, I know I have to develop a lot more to reach the level of consciusness I want to reach, at least I have the flavour of persistence.

I appreciate your efforts updating your blog. Thank you for that!

Mate

]]> By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1706 Steve Pavlina Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:58:20 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1706 Nenad, it's about how you react to external pressure coming from your environment, not stress. Stress is itself a reaction. Yynatago, viewed from the individual perspective, higher levels may seem better than lower ones. But viewed from the perspective of life as a whole, everything is as it should be. Bugiman, rats don't have access to the higher levels of human consciousness. So while experimental reactions done on rats may align with humans at the lower end of the scale, they won't align with people on the higher end. Rats don't set goals and make plans to achieve them in the way that humans do. In order for a scientist to even treat animals in the disrespectful manner you described, s/he would have to be well below the level of love. These experiments reflect more on the level of consciousness of the scientists than they do on the rats. Nenad, it’s about how you react to external pressure coming from your environment, not stress. Stress is itself a reaction.

Yynatago, viewed from the individual perspective, higher levels may seem better than lower ones. But viewed from the perspective of life as a whole, everything is as it should be.

Bugiman, rats don’t have access to the higher levels of human consciousness. So while experimental reactions done on rats may align with humans at the lower end of the scale, they won’t align with people on the higher end. Rats don’t set goals and make plans to achieve them in the way that humans do. In order for a scientist to even treat animals in the disrespectful manner you described, s/he would have to be well below the level of love. These experiments reflect more on the level of consciousness of the scientists than they do on the rats.

]]> By: Yynatago http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1705 Yynatago Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:05:07 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1705 Good article! I particularly like the part where you point out that your natural level of consciousness can be determined by how you react under pressure. Your example reactions made it easier to understand and relate to those levels of consciousness. We probably use this to determine what level another person is at by how they handle pressure. I'm not quite sure of one of your statement in the final paragraph, "No levels are any more right or wrong than others." Are you saying that its okay to be at any of the levels? While I can understand that there should be no shame for being at a certain level (even shame!), a higher level would always be better. Good article! I particularly like the part where you point out that your natural level of consciousness can be determined by how you react under pressure. Your example reactions made it easier to understand and relate to those levels of consciousness. We probably use this to determine what level another person is at by how they handle pressure.

I’m not quite sure of one of your statement in the final paragraph, “No levels are any more right or wrong than others.” Are you saying that its okay to be at any of the levels? While I can understand that there should be no shame for being at a certain level (even shame!), a higher level would always be better.

]]> By: Nenad Ristic http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1702 Nenad Ristic Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:11:36 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1702 Very good article, remins me somewhat of Timothy Leary's 8-Circuit model, but I think that the one you present here is more usefull. At the moment I am somewhere in the neutrality-willingness-accpetance area (mostly willingness). I disagree with your theory that how you react to stress shows your "true" level... I think that stress tends to push your level down, from whatever it is at that moment (not sure if I am explaining what I mean very well) Excellent articel, I am getting addicted to your site! Very good article, remins me somewhat of Timothy Leary’s 8-Circuit model, but I think that the one you present here is more usefull.

At the moment I am somewhere in the neutrality-willingness-accpetance area (mostly willingness).

I disagree with your theory that how you react to stress shows your “true” level… I think that stress tends to push your level down, from whatever it is at that moment (not sure if I am explaining what I mean very well)

Excellent articel, I am getting addicted to your site!

]]> By: Bugiman http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1701 Bugiman Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:56:41 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1701 I think it's noteworthy to say is that what you describe (or rather what the original author does) is a model and there are not any real levels of conciousness. Say, you are a scientist. First, you are an undergrad, then you go to grad school, then do your post grad and then you get your own lab (these are just stages). While this happens, one naturally progresses to a new "scientific level" so to speak. It's called learning. We also know from psychology that people do change and people's priority do change. Just finished reading a anti-marketing book about know gen X-ers are different from Baby Boomers. Most people understand that, but some will try to find out on what (nonexistant) levels of conciousness they exsist right now (what a waste of time) Here is an intersting blog entry by John Carlton, I think it's a good topic for one of your future blogs. --- There are a couple of famous rat studies we both find relevant to our lives. Researchers use rats a lot because the little rodents share our basic nervous system. What irritates or pleases a rat, also irritates or pleases most humans. Get over it. In one study, scientists put what they knew to be a "sustainable" number of rats into one large cage. They functioned well in this environment, mating normally, rearing little baby rats, getting along with each other. Then, the lab coats began to add more rats. Just a few more. To see what happened. Quickly, the large cage became Chaos Central. Result: Cannibalism, buggery, murder, rape, and lots of eating the young. All because of overcrowding. In the other study, the coats introduced alcohol to a normal society of rats. Most of them avoided it, some used it as "Miller Time", and a percentage just went overboard. The stats mirrored what we know of alcohol use in normal human environments. Then the researchers, always happy to screw things up, raised the stress level of the rats. Loud noises, cage jarring, unpredictable electric shocks, all sorts of disorienting stuff. Result: The tea-totalling rats started guzzling booze. The Miller Time crowd became 24-7 lushes. And the alcoholic rats literally drowned themselves in the liquor. What does all this mean? Well, besides revealing how sadistic the guys in lab coast can be, it at least makes you think about modern life, and our place in it. Humans like to think of ourselves as above the animal world -- cleaner, smarter, better suited to rule the planet. We are, of course, none of these things. We make a mess of everything we touch, and there's some strong evidence that we're killing the surface of the earth. Plus, we make people like Britney Spears rich and famous. Could Hell have noises any worse than what she produces? I think it’s noteworthy to say is that what you describe (or rather what the original author does) is a model and there are not any real levels of conciousness. Say, you are a scientist. First, you are an undergrad, then you go to grad school, then do your post grad and then you get your own lab (these are just stages). While this happens, one naturally progresses to a new “scientific level” so to speak. It’s called learning. We also know from psychology that people do change and people’s priority do change. Just finished reading a anti-marketing book about know gen X-ers are different from Baby Boomers.
Most people understand that, but some will try to find out on what (nonexistant) levels of conciousness they exsist right now (what a waste of time)
Here is an intersting blog entry by John Carlton, I think it’s a good topic for one of your future blogs.
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There are a couple of famous rat studies we both find relevant to our lives. Researchers use rats a lot because the little rodents share our basic nervous system. What irritates or pleases a rat, also irritates or pleases most humans.

Get over it.

In one study, scientists put what they knew to be a “sustainable” number of rats into one large cage. They functioned well in this environment, mating normally, rearing little baby rats, getting along with each other.

Then, the lab coats began to add more rats. Just a few more. To see what happened. Quickly, the large cage became Chaos Central. Result: Cannibalism, buggery, murder, rape, and lots of eating the young.

All because of overcrowding.

In the other study, the coats introduced alcohol to a normal society of rats. Most of them avoided it, some used it as “Miller Time”, and a percentage just went overboard. The stats mirrored what we know of alcohol use in normal human environments.

Then the researchers, always happy to screw things up, raised the stress level of the rats. Loud noises, cage jarring, unpredictable electric shocks, all sorts of disorienting stuff.

Result: The tea-totalling rats started guzzling booze. The Miller Time crowd became 24-7 lushes. And the alcoholic rats literally drowned themselves in the liquor.

What does all this mean? Well, besides revealing how sadistic the guys in lab coast can be, it at least makes you think about modern life, and our place in it.

Humans like to think of ourselves as above the animal world — cleaner, smarter, better suited to rule the planet.

We are, of course, none of these things. We make a mess of everything we touch, and there’s some strong evidence that we’re killing the surface of the earth.

Plus, we make people like Britney Spears rich and famous. Could Hell have noises any worse than what she produces?

]]> By: Gabriel http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1700 Gabriel Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:47:44 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/#comment-1700 Wow. A very interesting article. And I may have to start believing in synchronicity - in the last few weeks I've been feeling a vague desire to "acquire knowledge". I'm studying languages. I've been reading books on many topics - I'm even reading random Wikipedia pages for fun :) I feel quite identified with the "Courage" level ("interest in personal growth / skill acquisition") and to a lesser extent with the "Neutrality" level. Even more interesting, I know I wasn't like this 4 months ago - when I took a big step, left my day job and gone full time indie game developer. I don't think it's a coincidence either! So once again thanks, Steve, for I know I wouldn't be here if it weren't for your articles - in fact, they were very important when I had to take the (then seemingly) difficult decision of leaving my job. Wow. A very interesting article. And I may have to start believing in synchronicity - in the last few weeks I’ve been feeling a vague desire to “acquire knowledge”. I’m studying languages. I’ve been reading books on many topics - I’m even reading random Wikipedia pages for fun :)

I feel quite identified with the “Courage” level (”interest in personal growth / skill acquisition”) and to a lesser extent with the “Neutrality” level. Even more interesting, I know I wasn’t like this 4 months ago - when I took a big step, left my day job and gone full time indie game developer. I don’t think it’s a coincidence either!

So once again thanks, Steve, for I know I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for your articles - in fact, they were very important when I had to take the (then seemingly) difficult decision of leaving my job.

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