Comments on: Take the Red Pill http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/ Personal Development for Smart People Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:54:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Andrew http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-2156 Andrew Mon, 09 May 2005 17:01:06 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-2156 Steve, I know lucid dreaming and astral travel exist. I have been lucid myself, and I know a few people who have been astral and wouldn't lie to me about, although I have never done it myself. I am also a qigong practitioner, and can feel the energy in my body when I practice and sometimes when I am not practicing. Tony Robbins in Personal Power II tells the listener look around the room and count blue (I believe) things. Then he asks the listener how many green things there were. The listener of course does not know, and this illustrates that you see what you focus on. The effects of consciousness on the world have been validated ironically enough by science through the PEAR project ( http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ ). There is a degree of influence over the world through consciousness. However, are you sure that this change in reality is not merely the effect of focus through a change in beliefs? Thanks for the fantastic site Steve. We appreciate your efforts. Steve,

I know lucid dreaming and astral travel exist. I have been lucid myself, and I know a few people who have been astral and wouldn’t lie to me about, although I have never done it myself. I am also a qigong practitioner, and can feel the energy in my body when I practice and sometimes when I am not practicing.

Tony Robbins in Personal Power II tells the listener look around the room and count blue (I believe) things. Then he asks the listener how many green things there were. The listener of course does not know, and this illustrates that you see what you focus on. The effects of consciousness on the world have been validated ironically enough by science through the PEAR project ( http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ ). There is a degree of influence over the world through consciousness. However, are you sure that this change in reality is not merely the effect of focus through a change in beliefs?

Thanks for the fantastic site Steve. We appreciate your efforts.

]]> By: Ed Kryfka http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1573 Ed Kryfka Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:10:51 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1573 Actually, there's another precedent for the "clipper ships" example as explained earlier. It concerns the existence of UFOs or flying saucers. While I can't convince anyone of their existence, if you look at medievel art, hieroglyphics, and some mayan art, it is rather obvious that a number of people had seen UFOs throughout history. I would also venture a guess that most people did not believe in such things. However, after Kenneth Arnold reported seeing a formation of 9 of these flying saucers, people suddenly started seeing them everywhere. Was it mass hysteria, or is it possible that the sighting of these objects by a reputable air-rescue pilot allowed people to believe such a thing was possible, therefore allowing people to see them? I guess we won't know for sure until little green men land and force their reality to interact with ours. Actually, there’s another precedent for the “clipper ships” example as explained earlier. It concerns the existence of UFOs or flying saucers. While I can’t convince anyone of their existence, if you look at medievel art, hieroglyphics, and some mayan art, it is rather obvious that a number of people had seen UFOs throughout history. I would also venture a guess that most people did not believe in such things. However, after Kenneth Arnold reported seeing a formation of 9 of these flying saucers, people suddenly started seeing them everywhere. Was it mass hysteria, or is it possible that the sighting of these objects by a reputable air-rescue pilot allowed people to believe such a thing was possible, therefore allowing people to see them? I guess we won’t know for sure until little green men land and force their reality to interact with ours.

]]> By: Jeff Hearon http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1550 Jeff Hearon Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:56:06 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1550 <a href="http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=7854_0_1_0_C" rel="nofollow">Are We Real?</a> Are We Real?

]]> By: Ilya Olevsky http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1532 Ilya Olevsky Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:12:35 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1532 What are you guys talking about? There is no spoon! What are you guys talking about? There is no spoon!

]]> By: hakuin http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1531 hakuin Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:37:09 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1531 What do you think he's been doing? What do you think he’s been doing?

]]> By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1530 Steve Pavlina Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:32:55 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1530 http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/99/21807.jpg Like I can't bend a spoon with my hands? :) http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/99/21807.jpg

Like I can’t bend a spoon with my hands? :)

]]> By: Sean http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1529 Sean Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:13:04 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1529 Steve, convince your camera of perceptual reality and post a picture of your bent spoon. Steve, convince your camera of perceptual reality and post a picture of your bent spoon.

]]> By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1527 Steve Pavlina Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:45:33 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1527 Dave, your experience of that "other person" is limited to the confines of your own reality. Everything you experience in your life is confined within your reality, including any "controlled experiments" you've heard of. The proof of telepathy cannot enter your reality, not through science or otherwise. You will never find proof of it "out there." However, within the reality of someone who does believe in telepathy, it exists right along with sufficient proof of its existence. But the idea of "proof" is a fallacy anyway. We're not proving anything -- we're just creating it. See today's blog entry for more on this. Dave, your experience of that “other person” is limited to the confines of your own reality. Everything you experience in your life is confined within your reality, including any “controlled experiments” you’ve heard of. The proof of telepathy cannot enter your reality, not through science or otherwise. You will never find proof of it “out there.”

However, within the reality of someone who does believe in telepathy, it exists right along with sufficient proof of its existence. But the idea of “proof” is a fallacy anyway. We’re not proving anything — we’re just creating it.

See today’s blog entry for more on this.

]]> By: Dave http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1526 Dave Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:09:56 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1526 Ahh - there's the rub - there is very little that I believe that is truly impossible. (There are lots of highly improbable things out there though). I do believe telepathy and telekinesis are impossible. Those phenomenons have never been proven to exist in controlled experiments. That said, if someone happened to come up to me and read my mind consistently and repeatedly then I certainly would be willing to start believing. The thing is why would my belief or non-belief affect someone else’s ability to read my mind? If the other person believes he can read my mind, according to you, it should be enough? I have an open mind but show me the proof and then I will start believing. I do agree that changing your thoughts can be a powerful factor in changing your “personal” reality, but I strongly disagree that thoughts alone will win lotteries or affect other physical phenomenon. Ahh - there’s the rub - there is very little that I believe that is truly impossible. (There are lots of highly improbable things out there though). I do believe telepathy and telekinesis are impossible. Those phenomenons have never been proven to exist in controlled experiments. That said, if someone happened to come up to me and read my mind consistently and repeatedly then I certainly would be willing to start believing. The thing is why would my belief or non-belief affect someone else’s ability to read my mind? If the other person believes he can read my mind, according to you, it should be enough?

I have an open mind but show me the proof and then I will start believing. I do agree that changing your thoughts can be a powerful factor in changing your “personal” reality, but I strongly disagree that thoughts alone will win lotteries or affect other physical phenomenon.

]]> By: Steve Pavlina http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/take-the-red-pill/#comment-1525 Steve Pavlina Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:34:15 +0000 http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/03/the-death-of-the-scientific-method/#comment-1525 You can certainly encounter what you do not know is possible. But I don't think you can encounter what you believe to be impossible. Have you ever experienced anything you actually believed impossible at the time it happened? You can certainly encounter what you do not know is possible. But I don’t think you can encounter what you believe to be impossible. Have you ever experienced anything you actually believed impossible at the time it happened?

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