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		<title>By: Hilary &#187; What I&#8217;m Reading Today – Monday, February 28, 2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary &#187; What I&#8217;m Reading Today – Monday, February 28, 2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 8, 2005  		 		   		July 17th, 2005    		    		   		  			What&#8217;s your optimism ratio?: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/whats-your-optimism-ratio/  	Customi [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 8, 2005  		 		   		July 17th, 2005    		    		   		  			What&#8217;s your optimism ratio?: <a href="http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/whats-your-optimism-ratio/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/whats-your-optimism-ratio/</a>  	Customi [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kory Doszpoly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kory Doszpoly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an intriguing theory! I live in Vegas, I can’t wait to try it out. 

But, what makes anyone think that by changing the words one becomes another person. Do words create the person, or does the person the words? Mr. Robins and his colleges tend to forget that if you are in a hole, pulling on your bootstrap is the least productive thing you can do. I consider these so-called motivational speakers con artists. Stop deceiving people and get a real job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an intriguing theory! I live in Vegas, I can’t wait to try it out. </p>
<p>But, what makes anyone think that by changing the words one becomes another person. Do words create the person, or does the person the words? Mr. Robins and his colleges tend to forget that if you are in a hole, pulling on your bootstrap is the least productive thing you can do. I consider these so-called motivational speakers con artists. Stop deceiving people and get a real job!</p>
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		<title>By: Geralda Paulista</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/whats-your-optimism-ratio/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>Geralda Paulista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read "The Role of Positivity and Connectivity in the Performance of Business Teams", American Behavioral Scientist, February 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read &#8220;The Role of Positivity and Connectivity in the Performance of Business Teams&#8221;, American Behavioral Scientist, February 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: MX</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/02/whats-your-optimism-ratio/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>MX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a very interesting discussion. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a very interesting discussion. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will you post some of your speeches online (Audio &#038; Video if possible).  After hearing about your successes in speech competitions I would find it very informative too see your speeches (and a commentary by you about what you've done right, and what you may have done wrong).

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will you post some of your speeches online (Audio &#038; Video if possible).  After hearing about your successes in speech competitions I would find it very informative too see your speeches (and a commentary by you about what you&#8217;ve done right, and what you may have done wrong).</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to remember that correlation isn't causation, so optimism alone isn't necessarily *making* the teams win.  A team with a winning record, good players, etc. will be more likely to win and also more optimistic -- it has the raw material to win and those involved know it.  So even if optimism didn't improve a team's chances, the more optimistic teams would tend to win.  That's not to say optimism doesn't have an effect, of course.  

The speech thing is very interesting, since clearly speech content is more a cause of audience response than an effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to remember that correlation isn&#8217;t causation, so optimism alone isn&#8217;t necessarily *making* the teams win.  A team with a winning record, good players, etc. will be more likely to win and also more optimistic &#8212; it has the raw material to win and those involved know it.  So even if optimism didn&#8217;t improve a team&#8217;s chances, the more optimistic teams would tend to win.  That&#8217;s not to say optimism doesn&#8217;t have an effect, of course.  </p>
<p>The speech thing is very interesting, since clearly speech content is more a cause of audience response than an effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience playing soccer for 3 years, one season on the last place team in the league, one season on a middle-ranked team, and one season on the first place team, had the opposite results.  The more optimistic teams won fairly consistently.  Teams that expressed consistent self-doubt and uncertainty usually had good reason to do so.

What sports analysts or other outsiders say is irrelevant to this concept.  It's what the players and coaches are saying over a long period of time:  multiple interviews in a variety of media.

And keep in mind that Seligman makes it clear in his book that this predictive measure is nowhere near 100%, so it's easy to find plenty of matches where it fails to predict the winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience playing soccer for 3 years, one season on the last place team in the league, one season on a middle-ranked team, and one season on the first place team, had the opposite results.  The more optimistic teams won fairly consistently.  Teams that expressed consistent self-doubt and uncertainty usually had good reason to do so.</p>
<p>What sports analysts or other outsiders say is irrelevant to this concept.  It&#8217;s what the players and coaches are saying over a long period of time:  multiple interviews in a variety of media.</p>
<p>And keep in mind that Seligman makes it clear in his book that this predictive measure is nowhere near 100%, so it&#8217;s easy to find plenty of matches where it fails to predict the winner.</p>
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		<title>By: MX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, my post is not a generalization from one soccer game, it is a generalization from several soccer games. The example I gave (Steaua vs. Valencia) is just one example. I have observed the same thing in several cases.

Saying "we will win" is not always posturing. In the case I'm talking about all "sports analysts" (I'm not sure how to call them in English) decided that one team was a lot stronger than the other. And taking into account past performance in that season, it really was so. The strong team also expected to win, and they were not "posturing", they really believed what they were saying.

I watched the game expecting the strong team to win. And the strong team, which was very optimistic about the outcome, LOST!

So, in my opinion:

If a team has an optimistic attitude, and they say they will win, then they lose.

If a team has a pessimistic attitude, they believe that they have a low chances of winning the game, but at the same time they are very committed to do everything in their power in order to win, then they are most likely to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, my post is not a generalization from one soccer game, it is a generalization from several soccer games. The example I gave (Steaua vs. Valencia) is just one example. I have observed the same thing in several cases.</p>
<p>Saying &#8220;we will win&#8221; is not always posturing. In the case I&#8217;m talking about all &#8220;sports analysts&#8221; (I&#8217;m not sure how to call them in English) decided that one team was a lot stronger than the other. And taking into account past performance in that season, it really was so. The strong team also expected to win, and they were not &#8220;posturing&#8221;, they really believed what they were saying.</p>
<p>I watched the game expecting the strong team to win. And the strong team, which was very optimistic about the outcome, LOST!</p>
<p>So, in my opinion:</p>
<p>If a team has an optimistic attitude, and they say they will win, then they lose.</p>
<p>If a team has a pessimistic attitude, they believe that they have a low chances of winning the game, but at the same time they are very committed to do everything in their power in order to win, then they are most likely to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually ran this optimism test on the last two speeches I gave.  The first one (a speech about death and mortality) scored a 0.75 (negative), and the second (a speech about keeping life balanced) scored a 0.87 (still a bit negative).  The second speech got a much better audience reaction.

Then I ran this same test on Jim Key's speech which won him the 2003 World Championship of Public Speaking -- he has a PDF of the speech on his web site.  His speech scored a 1.25 (positive).  But I also noticed that his speech started out negative and became more positive as it went along, as if he was gradually taking the audience to a point of greater optimism.  I wish I could get copies of the other 8 speeches at that contest to see if there was any correlation between the speech's optimism score and the finishing position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually ran this optimism test on the last two speeches I gave.  The first one (a speech about death and mortality) scored a 0.75 (negative), and the second (a speech about keeping life balanced) scored a 0.87 (still a bit negative).  The second speech got a much better audience reaction.</p>
<p>Then I ran this same test on Jim Key&#8217;s speech which won him the 2003 World Championship of Public Speaking &#8212; he has a PDF of the speech on his web site.  His speech scored a 1.25 (positive).  But I also noticed that his speech started out negative and became more positive as it went along, as if he was gradually taking the audience to a point of greater optimism.  I wish I could get copies of the other 8 speeches at that contest to see if there was any correlation between the speech&#8217;s optimism score and the finishing position.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pavlina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to consider each word in context -- does it reflect genuine pessimism or optimism or neither?  Saying that something will be an easy victory doesn't reflect genuine optimism to me -- that's just posturing, and it may in fact be used to cover self-doubt.  But saying that you'll "die on the field" to win -- to me that's optimism, since the context implies total commitment as opposed to self-doubt.

The same word can be optimistic in one context but pessimistic in another.  I usually ask, "Does this word/phrase imply a feeling of certainty (optimism) or one of doubt (pessimism)?"

Also, the research in the book wasn't done with just a single quote from each team.  The authors considered every quote they could find from a variety of media sources.  One line just isn't enough data to go on -- you need to look at the long-term pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to consider each word in context &#8212; does it reflect genuine pessimism or optimism or neither?  Saying that something will be an easy victory doesn&#8217;t reflect genuine optimism to me &#8212; that&#8217;s just posturing, and it may in fact be used to cover self-doubt.  But saying that you&#8217;ll &#8220;die on the field&#8221; to win &#8212; to me that&#8217;s optimism, since the context implies total commitment as opposed to self-doubt.</p>
<p>The same word can be optimistic in one context but pessimistic in another.  I usually ask, &#8220;Does this word/phrase imply a feeling of certainty (optimism) or one of doubt (pessimism)?&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, the research in the book wasn&#8217;t done with just a single quote from each team.  The authors considered every quote they could find from a variety of media sources.  One line just isn&#8217;t enough data to go on &#8212; you need to look at the long-term pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: MX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, this is very interesting. However, I have found that in soccer, this doesn't hold true.

Let's say team A plays with team B.

Case 1: Team A declares: "We shall win the match against team B. Our players are very well trained, and we shall win the match. It will be an easy victory for our team". Team A will usually lose!

Case 2: If team A declares: "We shall die on the field playing, if necessary, in order to win the match." Team A will usually win!

Case 2 happened recently in the game of Steaua (a Romanian soccer team) against Valencia (the last winner of the UEFA european championship). Steaua declared they will die in the field playing if necessary in order to win, and then dominated the game against the very strong Valencia team and won with a 2:0 score.

I'm not an avid soccer watcher, but from what I noticed, the above cases hold true most of the time.

I have also discovered that the cases above also apply to my work. If I say "hey it's easy", then I won't get things done. If I say "No matter how hard this is I would rather die in front of my computer rather than not get things done", then I usually get things done successfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, this is very interesting. However, I have found that in soccer, this doesn&#8217;t hold true.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say team A plays with team B.</p>
<p>Case 1: Team A declares: &#8220;We shall win the match against team B. Our players are very well trained, and we shall win the match. It will be an easy victory for our team&#8221;. Team A will usually lose!</p>
<p>Case 2: If team A declares: &#8220;We shall die on the field playing, if necessary, in order to win the match.&#8221; Team A will usually win!</p>
<p>Case 2 happened recently in the game of Steaua (a Romanian soccer team) against Valencia (the last winner of the UEFA european championship). Steaua declared they will die in the field playing if necessary in order to win, and then dominated the game against the very strong Valencia team and won with a 2:0 score.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an avid soccer watcher, but from what I noticed, the above cases hold true most of the time.</p>
<p>I have also discovered that the cases above also apply to my work. If I say &#8220;hey it&#8217;s easy&#8221;, then I won&#8217;t get things done. If I say &#8220;No matter how hard this is I would rather die in front of my computer rather than not get things done&#8221;, then I usually get things done successfully.</p>
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